Finding Speed of two objects in space

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The problem involves two baseballs in outer space, initially separated by a distance and released from rest. The objective is to determine their speed when the separation decreases to a specified distance, while ignoring gravitational effects from other objects.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the universal law of gravity and Newton's second law to find acceleration and speed. There is a question about whether the kinematic equation used applies to this scenario, considering the nature of acceleration. Some suggest an energy approach, while others express uncertainty about applying energy concepts due to their current level of understanding.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conservation of energy, but there is a lack of consensus on how to proceed, particularly regarding the application of energy principles and the implications of non-constant acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have not yet learned about energy, which affects their ability to engage with the suggested approaches. There is also an acknowledgment that the acceleration changes as the balls move closer together, complicating the application of certain kinematic equations.

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Homework Statement


Two baseballs, each with a mass of 0.135 kg, are separated by a distance of 1170 m in outer space. If the balls are released from rest, what speed do they have when their separation has decreased to 710 m? Ignore the gravitational effects from any other objects.


Homework Equations


Universal law of gravity, Newton's 2nd law, Kinematics


The Attempt at a Solution


As of now, I've used the universal law of gravity and found that Fg = 3.55767e-18N. Using this force I found acceleration by using Newton's 2nd law of F = ma. The acceleration found was 2.632e-17m/s^2. Using this acceleration is it possible to use the 3rd kinematics of Vf^2 = vi^2 +2a(delta x) to solve for Vf?? Is this the way to solve this problem or am I completely off track?
 
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Vf^2 = vi^2 +2a(delta x) only applies for constant acceleration.
Is this a constant acceleration problem?

An energy approach might be better.
 
We havn't really learned about energy. Could you explain how I would approach this problem? Thanks
 
When the two baseballs are kept at a certain distance the system of balls has some potential energy. When they are released. their PE decreases and KE increases. Apply the law of conservation of energy.
 
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We havn't really learned about energy. Could you explain how I would approach this problem? Thanks

Your original idea is correct...but only instantaneously.

Starting from rest,
you calculated the force on each ball [which depends on the separation-squared],
then determined the acceleration of each ball. So, each ball gets accelerated and approach each other.

In the next instant of time, each ball has attained a velocity, but since their separation has decreased, the magnitude of the force on each has increased, and so, the magnitude of acceleration has increased. Acceleration is not a constant here...so you can't apply your velocity-squared formula throughout the motion... although you can apply it for a little bit of the motion...then repeat. This will become a calculus problem...which can be later interpreted as a special case of energy conservation.
 

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