Finding static friction of a block on a table on a pulley?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves three blocks connected by a pulley system, with the goal of determining the coefficient of static friction between one of the blocks and a table. The blocks have different masses, and the system accelerates when released from rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the blocks and how to set up the equations of motion. There are attempts to clarify the masses involved and how they affect the acceleration of the system. Questions arise about the correct mass to use in calculations and the implications of different assumptions about the block masses.

Discussion Status

Several participants are engaged in verifying the problem statement and the calculations. There is a recognition of potential errors in the initial assumptions regarding the masses and the setup of the equations. Some guidance is offered regarding the use of symbols for gravitational acceleration to simplify calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the mass assignments for the blocks, which may affect the outcome. There is an emphasis on careful reading of the problem statement and the implications of different interpretations on the calculations.

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Homework Statement


"When the three blocks in Fig. 6-29 are released from rest, they accelerate with a magnitude of ##0.500 \frac{m}{s^2}##. Block 1 has mass M, Block 2 has mass 2M, and Block 3 has mass 3M. What is the coefficient of static friction between Block 2 and the table?"
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Homework Equations


##f_s=(μ_k)(F_N)##
Answer from book: 0.37

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I attempted this by beginning with the sum of all the forces at work, relative to the force on Block 3. There's the gravitational force on Block 1 negating half of Block 3's force, and then there's the static friction between Block 2 and the table also slowing the motion of Block 3. So:

##ΣF = ma = (-9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(M) + (μ_k)(-9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(2M) + (9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(2M)##
##ΣF = (μ_k)(-9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(2M) + (9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(M)##
##\frac{ΣF}{m} = a = (9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(-2μ_k + 1)##
##a = \frac{1}{2}\frac{m}{s^2}##
##\frac{1}{2}\frac{m}{s^2} = (9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(-2μ_k + 1)##
##\frac{1}{19.6}=-2μ_k + 1##
##-\frac{18.6}{19.6}=-2μ_k##
##μ_k=\frac{93}{196}##

I have a feeling I messed up on the third step, in calculating acceleration and equating it to ##\frac{1}{2}##. Are there any other forces at work here, that are slowing Block 3's descent? Thank you for anyone who is willing to help me.
 
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Your problem statement gives block three a mass of 3M, but it looks like you've used 2M in your first step. Can you verify which is correct?

What mass are you using for 'm' in F = ma? Hint: How much mass is accelerating?
 
gneill said:
Can you verify which is correct?

Right. I should be more mindful of reading the problem carefully; especially when doing physics homework.

##ΣF = -(μ_k)(9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(2M) + (9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(2M)##

gneill said:
How much mass is accelerating?

6M?

##\frac{ΣF}{6M} = -\frac{1}{3}(μ_k)(9.8\frac{m}{s^2}) + \frac{1}{3}(9.8\frac{m}{s^2})##
##\frac{ΣF}{6M} = \frac{1}{3}(9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(1-μ_k) = a##
##\frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{3}(9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(1-μ_k)##
##\frac{3}{19.6} = 1 - μ_k##
##-μ_k=-\frac{16.6}{19.6}##
##μ_k=\frac{16.6}{19.6}##

I wish I knew what I was doing wrong.
 
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You say the total amount of mass in the problem is 6M, so then the blocks have masses 1M, 2M, and 3M.

When I do the math assuming those block masses I don't get the book answer. On the other hand, If the third block is 2M and the total mass is 5M, then I get the given answer.

You might want to use a symbol for the gravitational acceleration (g) rather than lug around numbers and units all the way through the algebra. Only plug in numbers at the very end.
 
gneill said:
On the other hand, If the third block is 2M and the total mass is 5M, then I get the given answer.

Oops, I should learn to read more carefully.

##ΣF = (-μ_k)(g)(2M) + (g)(M)##
##a = \frac{1}{5}g(1-2μ_k)##
##\frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{5}g(1-2μ_k)##
##\frac{5}{2g} = 1-2μ_k##
##\frac{5-2g}{2g} = -2μ_k##
##\frac{2g-5}{4g}=μ_k=0.37##

gneill said:
Only plug in numbers at the very end.

Good to note. Thank you...
 

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