Finding surface area with a function. Double Integration.

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The discussion revolves around calculating a double integral over a surface defined by the plane equation x+y+z=0, constrained within a cylinder described by x²+y²=1. The function to be integrated is f(x,y,z)=z².

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different parameterizations for the surface, considering both Cartesian and polar coordinates. There is confusion regarding the appropriate vector for G(u,v) and the limits of integration. Questions arise about the correct interpretation of the plane equation and its implications for the parameterization.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing various parameterization methods and the implications of their choices on the integration process. Some guidance has been offered regarding parameterization options, but there remains uncertainty about specific details and assumptions, particularly concerning the equation of the plane.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the bounds of integration and the parameterization of the surface, particularly in relation to the plane equation and the cylinder's constraints. A typo in the equation has also been acknowledged, which may affect the understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Calculate ∫∫f(x,y,z)DS for the given surface and function.

Part of the plain x+y+z=0, contained in the cylinder x^2+y^2=1 f(x,y,z)=z^2.

Homework Equations



∫∫F(x,y,z)Ds=∫∫F(g(u,v)*||n(u,v)||

N= TuXTv
Tu= G(u,v)(du); Tv is the same only the derivative is with respect to v

The Attempt at a Solution


So, where I confused... is how to find the vector to use for G(u,v) from the cylinder and the plain. Aside from that I think I pretty much understand. Oh, and whould the upper and lower bounds be 1? Or do I use polar coordinates?
 
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Unart said:

Homework Statement


Calculate ∫∫f(x,y,z)DS for the given surface and function.

Part of the plain x+y+z=0, contained in the cylinder x^2+y^2=1 f(x,y,z)=z^2.

Homework Equations



∫∫F(x,y,z)Ds=∫∫F(g(u,v)*||n(u,v)||

N= TuXTv
Tu= G(u,v)(du); Tv is the same only the derivative is with respect to v

The Attempt at a Solution


So, where I confused... is how to find the vector to use for G(u,v) from the cylinder and the plain. Aside from that I think I pretty much understand. Oh, and whould the upper and lower bounds be 1? Or do I use polar coordinates?

You have choices about how to parameterize the surface. You could choose ##x## and ##y## for your parameters$$
x = x,\, y = y,\, z = 1-x-y\,\quad \vec R(x,y)=\langle x,y,1-x-y\rangle$$or you could choose ##r## and ##\theta## and parameterize it like this$$
x=r\cos\theta,\,y=r\sin\theta,\,z = 1 - r\cos\theta-r\sin\theta$$and parameterize it accordingly. And, of course, the limits of integration depend on your variables. Even if you start with the ##x,y## parameterization you will likely change the resulting integral to polar coordinates because the domain is a circle.
 
on the z=1-rcos(theta)-rsin(theta)... how did you get the 1
if x+y+z=0
So are you saying that the g path function would be (x,y,z)=(rcos(theta),rsin(theta),-rcos(theta)-rsin(theta)
 
Unart said:
on the z=1-rcos(theta)-rsin(theta)... how did you get the 1
if x+y+z=0
So are you saying that the g path function would be (x,y,z)=(rcos(theta),rsin(theta),-rcos(theta)-rsin(theta)

That was a typo. I had read the equation as ##x+y+z=1##. So put 0 instead of 1 in the appropriate places. Sorry.

That isn't the "g path". What it is is a parameterization of the portion of the plane inside the cylinder in terms of ##r## and ##\theta##.
 
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