Finding T(v) relative to B and B'

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The discussion revolves around finding the transformation T(v) using a matrix relative to two bases B and B'. The transformation T is defined in terms of variables x, y, and z, and the vector v is given. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the correctness of their methods.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply a matrix transformation to a vector using two different bases. There is confusion regarding the correctness of the method used to express the transformation and the resulting calculations. Some participants question the validity of their approach and whether they are interpreting the transformation correctly.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved in applying the transformation T to the vector v. Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the equations needed to find coefficients for the transformation, while others express uncertainty about their previous calculations and the method being used.

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Participants are discussing the need to solve a system of equations to express the vector v in terms of the basis B, which may affect the subsequent calculations for T(v). There is also mention of potential discrepancies in the expected results based on different interpretations of the transformation process.

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Homework Statement



find T(v) using the matrix relative to B and B'

T(x, y, z) = (2x, x + y, y + z, x + z)
v = (1, -5, 2)
B = { (2, 0, 1), (0, 2, 1), (1, 2, 1) }
B' = { (1, 0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 0, 1), (1, 0, 1, 0), (1, 1, 0, 0) }


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



T(2, 0, 1) = (4, 2, 1, 3)
= 4(1, 0, 0, 1) + 2(0, 1, 0, 1) + 1(1, 0, 1, 0) + 3(1, 1, 0, 0)
= (8, 5, 1, 6)
T(0, 2, 1) = (0, 2, 3, 1)
= (4, 3, 3, 2)
T(1, 2, 1) = (2, 3, 3, 2)
= (7, 5, 3, 5)

A = 8 4 7
5 3 5
1 3 3
6 2 5

Av = (2, 0, -8, 6)

but if the person I am checking against is right, the answer should be (2, -4, -3, 3)

I am confused as to if I can even use the method I am using in this case.

Thanks in advance
 
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that's a matrix A btw, everything that was indented got shifted.
 
dzimitry said:

Homework Statement



find T(v) using the matrix relative to B and B'

T(x, y, z) = (2x, x + y, y + z, x + z)
v = (1, -5, 2)
B = { (2, 0, 1), (0, 2, 1), (1, 2, 1) }
B' = { (1, 0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 0, 1), (1, 0, 1, 0), (1, 1, 0, 0) }


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



T(2, 0, 1) = (4, 2, 1, 3)
= 4(1, 0, 0, 1) + 2(0, 1, 0, 1) + 1(1, 0, 1, 0) + 3(1, 1, 0, 0)
No, (4, 2, 1, 3) is NOT equal to (8, 5, 1, 6)! You are doing this backwards. You want to find numbers, a, b, c, d, such that (4, 2, 1, 3)= a(1, 0, 0, 1)+ b(0, 1, 0, 1)+ c(1 , 0, 1, 0)+ d(1, 1, 0, 0). That is you jeed to solve a+ c+ d= 4, b+ d= 2, c= 1, and a+ b= 3.
Then
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}a \\ b\\ c\\ d\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
will be the first column of the matrix.

= (8, 5, 1, 6)
T(0, 2, 1) = (0, 2, 3, 1)
= (4, 3, 3, 2)
T(1, 2, 1) = (2, 3, 3, 2)
= (7, 5, 3, 5)

A = 8 4 7
5 3 5
1 3 3
6 2 5

Av = (2, 0, -8, 6)

but if the person I am checking against is right, the answer should be (2, -4, -3, 3)

I am confused as to if I can even use the method I am using in this case.

Thanks in advance
 
ok that makes sense...and for the vector v = (1, -5, 2), do I need to solve a system like
(1, -5, 2) = a(2, 0, 1) + b(0, 2, 1) + c(1, 2, 1) and use (a, b, c) as my v and multiply that by A?
 

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