Finding tension of a rope pulling a crate

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The problem involves finding the tension in a rope that is pulling a crate at a constant speed, taking into account the mass of the crate, the coefficient of kinetic friction, and the angle of the rope above the horizontal.

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion in the vertical and horizontal directions, questioning the signs used in the equations. There is exploration of the relationship between tension and the weight of the crate, with some participants expressing uncertainty about whether the tension should exceed the gravitational force acting on the crate.

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There is ongoing dialogue regarding the algebraic manipulation of the equations, with some participants correcting each other's work. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the signs in the equations and the implications of the tension relative to the weight of the crate.

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Did this problem out, but answer doesn't look right.

Homework Statement


Find the tension of the rope.

M=37.7kg
Coefficient of kinetic friction=.244
Rope is at an angle of 22.2° above the horizontal
Pulled at constant speed, meaning a=0

Homework Equations


I figured that...
ƩFx=Tcos∅-μkN=0
ƩFy=N-mg-Tsin∅=0

So, N=mg+Tsin∅

Then I did a simple substitution with the N equation...

Tcos∅-μkmg+Tsin∅=0

When I got T by itself, I got...

T=(μkmg/cos∅+sin∅)

The Attempt at a Solution



Then I just plugged the given numbers in, and I got T=69N (Approximately)

Am I correct? Because I figured the tension of the rope has to be greater than the mg of the crate.
 
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ƩFy=N-mg-Tsin∅=0

Replace -Tsinangle by +Tsinangle
 
grzz said:
ƩFy=N-mg-Tsin∅=0

Replace -Tsinangle by +Tsinangle

Okay, so that means that my final equation for T changes to...

T=(μk*mg/cos∅-sin∅)

I get an answer of about 164.5 N. It's higher, but is that right. I'm still wondering if T is supposed to be greater than the mg of the crate. If this is correct, then why did I have to change the -Tsin∅, to a positive Tsin∅?
 
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When you sum forces in the y direction, N acts up (+), mg acts down (-), and T sin theta acts up (+). That is why grzz corected the signage for Tsin theta.

Beyond that, your algebra is incorrect. There should be a uk in front of the Tsin theta term (note that a(b + c) = ab + ac).

Why do you feel T has to be greater than mg? Consider pulling a heavy crate on a near frictionless surface. The pulling force is much less than mg.
 
PhanthomJay said:
When you sum forces in the y direction, N acts up (+), mg acts down (-), and T sin theta acts up (+). That is why grzz corected the signage for Tsin theta.

Beyond that, your algebra is incorrect. There should be a uk in front of the Tsin theta term (note that a(b + c) = ab + ac).

Why do you feel T has to be greater than mg? Consider pulling a heavy crate on a near frictionless surface. The pulling force is much less than mg.

Ah, I see now.

Didn't catch the algebra error. Thanks for that.

Meh. I don't know what I was thinking earlier. Was doing this problem early in the morning.

Okay, so now that I corrected my errors, I get a tension of approximately 108 N.
 

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