Finding the cardinal number for the intersection of two sets

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The discussion revolves around finding the cardinal number for the intersection of two sets, specifically in the context of people liking cheese and apples. Participants are exploring the implications of given inequalities and the relationships between the sets involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question why inequalities are considered instead of directly applying the formula for the intersection of two sets. There is also discussion about the implications of subsets and the maximum and minimum values for the intersection based on the provided data.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the total number of people surveyed and the relationships between the sets. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the inequalities and the limits of the union of the sets.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the total number of individuals in the survey, as it is only stated that the union of the sets is at most 100. Participants are also considering the possibility of individuals who may not belong to either set.

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Homework Statement
A survey shows that ##63 %## Americans like cheese where as ##76 %## like apples. If ##x %## like both, find ##x##.
Relevant Equations
Since ##A \cap B \subset A## and ## A \cap B \subset B## :
##n(A \cap B) \leq n(A)## and ##n(A \cap B) \leq n(B)##
i.e ##n(A \cap B) \leq 63##
Also, ##n(A\cap B ) \geq 39## since ##n(A\cap B) = n(A)+ n(B)-n(A\cup B)## but ##n(A\cup B) \leq 100##

Thus : ## 39 \leq x \leq 63##
My Question :

1.Why are the inequalities considered? Why not simply use ##n(A\cap B) = n(A)+ n(B)-n(A\cup B)## to get ## n(A\cap B) = 39## ?
2. The way I interpret this is : If the set for people liking cheese was to be a subset of the set for people who like apples then the most number of people to like both would be 63. But I still fail to understand why the minimum value should be 39 (Why : ##P(A) + P(B) - P(A \cup B) < 1##)?
 
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JC2000 said:
My Question :

1.Why are the inequalities considered? Why not simply use ##n(A\cap B) = n(A)+ n(B)-n(A\cup B)## to get ## n(A\cap B) = 39## ?
Because it's not given how many like both cheese and apples.
 
Mark44 said:
Because it's not given how many like both cheese and apples.

Yes but we are given the remaining variables from which ##n(A \cap B)## can be found (?).
 
JC2000 said:
Yes but we are given the remaining variables from which ##n(A \cap B)## can be found (?).
No, since you aren't given ##n(A \cup B)##
 
Mark44 said:
No, since you aren't given ##n(A \cup B)##
Can't it be assumed to be 100? (Also could you shed some light on Q2?) Thanks!
 
JC2000 said:
Can't it be assumed to be 100? (Also could you shed some light on Q2?) Thanks!
All you are given is that ##n(A \cup B) \le 100##, which doesn't imply that it equals 100.
I need to take off in a bit, so maybe somebody else can take a crack at your other question.
 
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JC2000: I assume your numbers are given as percentages, right, so that it should be 76% and 63%?Edit. As Mark44 wrote, you don't have all the data you need. But you are correct that the percentage that like both is at most 63( Since it is a subset of those who like cheese) and the percentage that likes either is at most 100
 
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Oh yes! Thanks!
 
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As Mark44 pointed out, notice that ##n(A\cup B) ## is _at most_ 100, but not necessarily 100. Can you see why?
 
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WWGD said:
As Mark44 pointed out, notice that ##n(A\cup B) ## is _at most_ 100, but not necessarily 100. Can you see why?
Is it because there may be a percentage of people that like neither? So this would mean ##n(A) + n(B)-n(A\cap B) \leq n(A\cup B)##?
 
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Correct. Good job.
 
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Thanks a lot!
 
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