Finding the curvature of a space curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the curvature of a space curve defined by the parametric equations of a car's path. The original poster presents their work on calculating the curvature using the formula involving the cross product of the first and second derivatives of the position vector.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of derivatives and the application of the curvature formula. There are discussions about potential simplifications, such as the cancellation of 't' and the use of trigonometric identities. Some participants suggest re-evaluating the problem with generic constants to minimize errors.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering advice and checking each other's work. There is a recognition of the complexity of the algebra involved, and some participants express uncertainty about their results, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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There is mention of a larger problem set, which may impose constraints on the approach. The original poster expresses concern about potential arithmetic errors in their calculations, and there is a focus on ensuring accuracy in the algebraic manipulations involved in finding the curvature.

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Homework Statement


Find the curvature of the car's path, K(t)
Car's Path: r(t) = \Big< 40cos( \frac {2 \pi}{16}t ) , 40sin( \frac {2 \pi}{16}t ), \frac{20}{16}t \Big>

Homework Equations


K(t) = \frac { |r'(t)\:X \:r''(t)|}{|r'(t)|^3 }

The Attempt at a Solution


This is part of a massive 6 part question, a,b,c,d,e,f. This is part e. I already have r'(t) and r''(t) as well as r'(t) x r''(t). I'm just getting totally lost in the algebra, and I don't know if I am on the right track:
r'(t) = \Big< -5 \pi sin( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t) , 5 \pi cos( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t) , \frac{20}{16} \Big>
r''(t) = \Big< \frac{ -5 \pi ^2 cos( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{8} , \frac{ -5 \pi ^2 sin( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{8} , 0 \Big>
r'(t) \: X \: r''(t) = \big< \frac{ -125 \pi sin( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{32} , \frac{ -25 \pi ^2 cos( \frac{2 \pi}{16}t )}{32} , \Big[ \frac{25 \pi ^3}{8} \Big]\Big[cos(\frac{2 \pi}{16}t) \Big]^2 + \frac{125 \pi ^2}{8} \Big>

So I know the next step will be to get the magnitude of this. Does this look right so far? I have to admit, this is probably the hardest problem (algebra-wise) I have ever done in college so far.
 
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I didn't check your work, but I can tell you that I certainly would have started with$$
\vec r(t) = \langle a\cos(bt),a\sin(bt),ct\rangle$$and put the constants in at the end.
 
Well sure, I'm positive I have done the derivatives right. I was told by someone that the 't' will cancel somewhere, and the answer will simply be a number. I just can't see how 't' will cancel. I was also told it was related to the identity sin^2(t) + cos^2(t) = 1, but when I did take the magnitude of this it was horrendous.
 
I will just repeat my advice: do it again with ##a,~b,~c##. It will cut down mistakes and make it apparent where to use the sine-cosine identity. It isn't "horrendous".
 
Okay I took your advice, which helped a ton. I'm just hoping I didn't make any stupid arithmetic errors. When I crossed r'(t) X r''(t) I got:
\big< ab^2c\:sin(bt), -ab^2c\:cos(bt),a^2b^3 \big>
I took the magnitude and got:
ab^2\sqrt{a^b+b^2+1}
I then took the magnitude of r'(t) cubed and got:
(a^2 + b^2 + c^2)^{3/2}
I plugged everything back in for a,b and c and got 0.01. Seems kind of low, I'm not sure if i have made some kind of arithmetic error
 
dlacombe13 said:
Okay I took your advice, which helped a ton. I'm just hoping I didn't make any stupid arithmetic errors. When I crossed r'(t) X r''(t) I got:
\big< ab^2c\:sin(bt), -ab^2c\:cos(bt),a^2b^3 \big>
I took the magnitude and got:
ab^2\sqrt{a^b+b^2+1}
I agree with the cross product, but check that last line. I get a different value.
 

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