Finding the derivative of ln(1 + x)^2

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function \( f(x) = \ln(1+x)^2 \). Participants explore various approaches to differentiate this function, including the use of logarithmic properties and the chain rule. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differentiation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins by applying the chain rule but expresses uncertainty about their approach.
  • Another participant suggests using the logarithmic property to simplify the function before differentiating, specifically noting the property \( \log_a(b^c) = c\log_a(b) \).
  • A subsequent reply indicates that simplifying \( f(x) \) to \( 2\ln(1+x) \) leads to the derivative \( f'(x) = \frac{2}{1+x} \).
  • There is a query about differentiating a different function \( f(x) = \ln(1+x^2)^2 \), with one participant proposing \( \frac{4x}{(1+x)^2} \) as the derivative.
  • Another participant corrects this, stating that the derivative should be \( \frac{4x}{1+x^2} \) instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial approach to finding the derivative of \( f(x) = \ln(1+x)^2 \), as participants express different methods and results. The discussion also reveals some disagreement regarding the differentiation of \( f(x) = \ln(1+x^2)^2 \).

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Participants do not fully resolve the initial steps or assumptions in their differentiation processes, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented.

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I need to find f'(x) when f(x)= ln(1+x)2.

I started with the chain rule:

d[ln(1+x)2]/d(1+x)2 * d(1+x)2/d(1+x) * d(1+x)/dx

so

1/(1+x) * 1/(1+x)2​ * 2(1+x)

I know something about that is wrong, I'm not sure what.
 
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Re: finding the derivative of ln(1+x)^2

I would first use the log property:

$$\log_a\left(b^c \right)=c\log_a(b)$$

to simplify the function prior to differentiating.

Next, I would use the logarithmic and chain rules:

$$\frac{d}{dx}\left(\ln(u(x)) \right)=\frac{u'(x)}{u(x)}$$

What do you find?
 
Re: finding the derivative of ln(1+x)^2

then it would be f(x)= 2ln(1+x)

and f'(x)=2/(1+x)So if I want to differentiate f(x)=ln(1+x2)2

it would be 4x/(1+x)2 right?
 
Re: finding the derivative of ln(1+x)^2

coolbeans33 said:
then it would be f(x)= 2ln(1+x)

and f'(x)=2/(1+x)

Correct.

coolbeans33 said:
So if I want to differentiate f(x)=ln(1+x2)2

it would be 4x/(1+x)2 right?

Not quite...it would be:

$$f'(x)=2\left(\frac{1}{1+x^2}\cdot2x \right)=\frac{4x}{1+x^2}$$
 

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