Finding the derivitive using limits?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y = cube root(X^4 - 3X) using limits. Participants explore various approaches to tackle the problem, including simplifications and alternative methods.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in starting the limit process for the derivative and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests simplifying the problem by first finding the derivative of f(x) = sqrt(x) and then generalizing to n-th roots, proposing the use of the chain rule.
  • A different participant introduces the factoring of the difference of two cubes and provides a detailed method to rationalize the difference quotient, although they acknowledge that the resulting expression is still complex.
  • A later reply indicates gratitude for the provided explanation and expresses a desire to understand the solution better.

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There is no consensus on a single method to solve the problem, as participants propose different approaches and simplifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective strategy to find the derivative using limits.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the applicability of mathematical techniques, such as the use of the chain rule and factoring methods, without resolving the complexities involved in the limit process.

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Hi,
I've stumbled across a question. It must be solved using limits. I just don't know where to start. After doing the f(x+h) - f (x) / h i end up with a cluster that cannot be simplified... any help would be great.

the equation is as follows.

y = cube root( X^4 - 3X)
 
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Very interesting. I'm not sure how to prove this either, but I'm really interested in seeing the solution!

I think the core difficulty in this problem is with the root, so let's simplify the problem. How do we find f' for f(x) = sqrt(x)?

Then, we can probably generalize to n-th roots and use the chain rule to finish it off.

My guess is that you have to abuse the relation \sqrt[n]{x} = e^{\ln(x^{\frac{1}{n}})} = e^{n \ln(x)}. If you were a brutish proof person, you could probably do something with the taylor series of e^x and ln(x) to solve it with limits.
 
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The difference of two cubes can be factored this way:

<br /> A^3 - B^3 = (A-B)(A^2 + AB + B^2)<br />

This works for any quantities A, B, so (curse the database errors which prevent preview from working)

<br /> a-b = \left(a^{1/3} - b^{1/3}\right)\left(a^{2/3} + a^{1/3} b^{1/3} + b^{1/3}\right)<br />

The numerator of the difference quotient has

<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> a &amp; = \left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)\right)^{1/3}\\<br /> b &amp; = \left(x^4 - 3x \right)^{1/3}<br /> \end{align*}<br />

To rationalize the difference quotient multiply by this fraction:

<br /> \frac{\left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)\right)^{2/3} + \left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)\right)^{1/3} \left(x^4 - 3x\right)^{1/3} + \left(x^4 - 3x\right)^{2/3}}{\left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)\right)^{2/3} + \left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)\right)^{1/3} \left(x^4 - 3x\right)^{1/3} + \left(x^4 - 3x\right)^{2/3}}<br />

this will leave you with (use the second factoring formula from the top of my post)

<br /> \frac{\left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)) - (x^4 - 3x)\right)}{h\left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)\right)^{2/3} + \left((x+h)^4 - 3(x+h)\right)^{1/3} \left(x^4 - 3x\right)^{1/3} + \left(x^4 - 3x\right)^{2/3}}<br />

This still isn't pretty, but the work of taking the limit can now be performed.
 
whoa thanks... now trying to understand it.

thanks!
 

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