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The discussion revolves around finding the diagonalizing matrix P for a given matrix A, specifically focusing on eigenvalues and eigenvectors in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with some questioning the validity of their approaches and the relationship between the eigenvalues and the resulting matrices. There are attempts to clarify the steps involved in the eigenvalue calculation and the implications for the diagonalization process.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the eigenvalue calculations and the corresponding eigenvectors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the null space and the structure of the matrices involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution.

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There is mention of differing solutions from a textbook, and participants express uncertainty about the necessity of matching the book's solutions, indicating a potential divergence in methods or interpretations of the problem.

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Homework Statement


find the diagonalizing matrix P of the matrix A
A=:
1 3 0
0 2 0
0 0 2



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The Attempt at a Solution


so i do the whole A-[tex]\lambda[/tex]I3 thing and i find my eigenvalues to be [tex]\lambda = 1, 2[/tex]
when i do [tex]\lambda[/tex] = 1, i get the matrix
0 3 0
0 1 0
0 0 1

which turns into
0 1 0
0 0 1
0 0 0

i guess here's my main question. can i have any eigenvectors from here that satisfy this equation? I'm getting a different solution than the book, but it's been a while since I've taken linear algebra (this is a differential equations class and this parts review), and i seem to recall that this doesn't need to be like the book (i.e. the book presents one possible solution; as long as my solution is linearly independent, it should be valid).
...
okay, so i just plugged it in and found out I'm incorrect.

so how do i find the solution to
0 1 0 | 0
0 0 1 | 0
0 0 0 | 0?
 
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What equations correspond to that augmented matrix?
 


And the first row of your second matrix should be [-1,0,0].
 


Dick said:
And the first row of your second matrix should be [-1,0,0].

why? i thought the whole point of doing the eigenvalue was to get that to be zero? (at least in this part, when the particular eigenvalue cancels that out)
 


bennyska said:
why? i thought the whole point of doing the eigenvalue was to get that to be zero? (at least in this part, when the particular eigenvalue cancels that out)

And I thought you were subtracting the eigenvalue from the matrix diagonal.
 


the original matrix:
1 3 0
0 2 0
0 0 2

eigenvalues 1, 2, 2

subtracting 1*identity

0 3 0
0 1 0
0 0 1

isn't that right?
 


Yes, it is. I was thinking one of your matrices was the one where you subtracted 2*identity. Now you need to find the null space of that matrix.
 


I believe that was his original problem - finding the null space.
 


bennyska said:

Homework Statement


find the diagonalizing matrix P of the matrix A
A=:
1 3 0
0 2 0
0 0 2
I have never particularly liked that method of finding eigenvectors- I prefer working directly from the definition.

It is obvious that the eigenvalues of A are 1 and 2 with 2 being a double root of the eigenvalue equation.

Any eigevector corresponding to eigenvalue 1 must satify
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1 & 3 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Multiplying that out we get x+ 3y= x, 2y= y, and 2z= z. The only solutions to the last two equations are y= z= 0 and any value of x then satifies the first. An eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue 1 is <x, 0, 0>= x<1, 0, 0>.

Any eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue 2 must satisfy
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1 & 3 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix} 2x \\ 2y \\ 2z\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Multiplying that out, we get the 3 equations x+ 3y= 2x, 2y= 2y, and 2z= 2z. The first equation gives us x= 3y and any values of y and z satisfy the last two. An eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue 2 must be of the form <3y, y, z> = y<3, 1, 0>+ z<0, 0, 1>. That is, {<1, 0, 0>, <3, 1, 0>, <0, 0, 1>} is a basis for the entire space consisting of eigenvectors of A. If we take P to be the matrix having those vectors as columns:
[tex]P= \begin{bmatrix}1 & 3 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
then P-1AP is a diagonal matrix.



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The Attempt at a Solution


so i do the whole A-[tex]\lambda[/tex]I3 thing and i find my eigenvalues to be [tex]\lambda = 1, 2[/tex]
when i do [tex]\lambda[/tex] = 1, i get the matrix
0 3 0
0 1 0
0 0 1

which turns into
0 1 0
0 0 1
0 0 0

i guess here's my main question. can i have any eigenvectors from here that satisfy this equation? I'm getting a different solution than the book, but it's been a while since I've taken linear algebra (this is a differential equations class and this parts review), and i seem to recall that this doesn't need to be like the book (i.e. the book presents one possible solution; as long as my solution is linearly independent, it should be valid).
...
okay, so i just plugged it in and found out I'm incorrect.

so how do i find the solution to
0 1 0 | 0
0 0 1 | 0
0 0 0 | 0?[/QUOTE]
 

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