Finding the Directional Derivatives of f(x,y)=x^2 + sin(xy) at (1,0)

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The discussion revolves around finding the directions in which the directional derivative of the function f(x,y) = x^2 + sin(xy) equals 1 at the point (1,0). Participants explore the implications of the gradient and the conditions for unit vectors in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the gradient and the requirement for the directional derivative to equal 1. There are attempts to derive the necessary conditions for unit vectors and to find multiple directions that satisfy these conditions.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants suggest using geometric reasoning to identify symmetric directions, while others emphasize the need for simultaneous equations to find unit vectors. There is recognition of the potential for multiple solutions, and guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the gradient and the directional derivative.

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Participants note the importance of considering unit vectors and the geometric implications of the gradient direction. There is also mention of the symmetry of solutions around the gradient vector.

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find the directions in which the directional derivative of f(x,y)=x^2 + sin(xy) has a value of 1 at the point (1,0)

Fx=2x+ycos(xy)=2
Fy=xcos(xy)=1

So we have <2,1> and we need to find vectors that dotted with <2,1> =1
<2,1>.<x1,x2>=1

2x1+x2=1

So whn x1 is 0 we have x2 is 1

so one of the directions is <0,1>

im not sure how to find the other
 
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so you also know it shoudl be a unit vector
so
<2,1>.<x1,x2>=1
and
<x1,x2>.<x1,x2>=1
 
note however that by geometrical reasoning the directional derivative can take the same value for at most 2 directions (barring the trivial case)...

so you could find the other (if it exists) by geometrical/symmetrical reasoning, noting the gradient is the direction of maximum rate of change...
 
If "directions" means to use unit vectors, you should include
[tex]\sqrt{ x_1^2 + x_2^2} = 1[/tex]
as a condition and solve two simultaneous equations for [tex]x_1[/tex] and [tex]x_2[/tex].
 
however as mentioned, the vectors will be symmetric around the gradient direction <2,1>, so you coudl probably draw <2,1> and <0,1> on a graph and read off the symmetric vector to <0,1>
 
Punkyc7 said:
find the directions in which the directional derivative of f(x,y)=x^2 + sin(xy) has a value of 1 at the point (1,0)

Fx=2x+ycos(xy)=2
Fy=xcos(xy)=1

So we have <2,1> and we need to find vectors that dotted with <2,1> =1
<2,1>.<x1,x2>=1

2x1+x2=1

So whn x1 is 0 we have x2 is 1

so one of the directions is <0,1>

im not sure how to find the other
There are, of course, an infinite number of solutions. As others have said, requiring that [itex]x_1^2+ x_2^2= 1[/itex] reduces to only two solutions.

If you want a formal method, rewrite [itex]2x_1+ x_2= 1[/itex] as [itex]2x_2= 1- x_1[/itex] and square both sides: [itex]4x_2^2= 1- 2x_1+ x_1^2[/itex]. Now, since [itex]x_2^2= 1- x_1^2[/itex] we can write that as [itex]4(1- x_1^2)= 4- 4x_1^2= 1- 2x_1+ x_1^2[/itex] which reduces to the quadratic equation [itex]5x_1^2- 2x_1- 3= (x_1- 1)(5x_1+ 3)= 0[/itex].
 
halls is right as always

that said I would definitely take some time to understand the goemetric argument i gave as that really helped me to understand a directional derivative is just a dot prouct of the gradient with a unit direction vector.

So for example straight away you can say:
- the gradient direction has the maximum magnitude directional derivative
- perpindicular to the gradient the directional derivative is zero
 
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Thanks hallsofivy that makes sense
 

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