Finding the Distance for Enlargement with a Thin Lens

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The discussion revolves around determining the object distance for a thin lens to produce an enlarged image of a bulb by a factor of 2, given a focal length of 40 cm. Participants explore the relationships between object distance, image distance, and magnification using the thin lens formula and magnification equations.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the thin lens equation and magnification relationships, questioning how to correctly solve for the object distance. There is confusion regarding the signs and values used in the equations, particularly concerning the magnification factor and its implications for distances.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and corrections regarding the use of equations. Some guidance has been offered on how to set up the equations correctly, but there remains uncertainty about the calculations and assumptions being made.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may impose specific rules or expectations regarding the approach to solving the problem. There is mention of a discrepancy between calculated values and those found in a reference book, indicating potential misunderstandings in the application of the formulas.

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If you want to produce an image of a bulb that is enlarged by a factor of 2, how far from the wall should the lens be placed. Focal length is 40cm.

I know you use 1/d_o + 1/d_i =1/f and m= -d_i/d_o but how do you find d_o? -2/d_o +1/d_o =1/f ? but it comes out to 40cm and not 60cm for d_o. If someone could help me with that bit I can solve it from there. Thanks!
 
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Actually it comes out to -40 cm.

Here is a hint: what should m be, if the image is inverted and enlarged by a factor of 2?
 
it should be -2?
 
Yes. Try that out.
 
So m d_o = -d_i (-2)(-40)= -d_i so then it comes out to be -80cm but in the back of the book it says it's 1.2m.
 
just.karl said:
So m d_o = -d_i (-2)(-40)= -d_i so then it comes out to be -80cm but in the back of the book it says it's 1.2m.

Why (-2)(-40)? do is not 40. The focal distance is 40.
Use both equations and put m=-2 as Redbelly98 told you.
 
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So m d_o = -d_i (-2)(-40)= -d_i

No. d_0 is not -40 cm. f is +40 cm.

-2 d_o = -d_i

and as you know, from the thin lens equation:

1/d_o + 1/d_i = 1/(40cm)

Take it from there.
 
I understand that you use both equations, but the part I'm getting hung up on is how you solve for d_o with 1/do + 1/di = 1/F from my understanding it goes to -2/do + 1/do = 1/40 and the answer from that comes out to be -40 =do I then put that into the mdo=di equation and get 80. I'm assuming I'm solving for d_o wrong?
 
-2/do + 1/do = 1/40

No. Use d_i = 2 d_o, as I said in post #7.
 
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so then it would be 1/do + 1/2do = 1/40?
 
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Yes.
 

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