Finding the Domain of a Trigonometric Function

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The discussion revolves around finding the domain of the trigonometric function f(x)=(1+cosx)/(1-cos2x). Participants are exploring the implications of the function's structure and the behavior of the cosine function in relation to its domain.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss factoring the function and setting factors to zero to identify restrictions on the domain. There are questions about the origins of certain values and the implications of cosine being equal to 1 or -1. Some participants express confusion about the steps following the initial factorization.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various insights and questioning assumptions about the function's behavior. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric identities, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are concerns about the accuracy of factoring and canceling terms, as well as the potential for misunderstanding the domains of the resulting expressions. Participants are also reflecting on the need to remember key trigonometric values and their implications for the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement


Find the domain of this function and check with your graphing calculator:
f(x)=(1+cosx)/(1-cos2x)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


i get to (1+cosx)/(1+cosx)(1-cosx) which is factored. so then setting each one to zero one at a time i figure out that
cosx = -1 and cosx = 1
then i get stuck from there.

here is what the page says to do Step 4
Setting each of those factors to zero, we get:

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and
94e8342e5f0d65ecc1458a3d5f6ec48e.png

Step 5
Solving each of those, we get:

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and
2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
, where n is an integer
Step 6
Combining those, we get:

2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
, where n is an integer
Step 7
Since those values are where the denominator is zero, our domain is at every value EXCEPT those:

d94649fca4f03c2b1c9532778da0b48b.png
, where n is an integerI was hoping somebody could break down the steps after 4 , i have no clue where
433994f5cd76da62c34aebba3cdd4860.png
OR
2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
come from, thank you
 
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Astraithious said:

Homework Statement


Find the domain of this function and check with your graphing calculator:
f(x)=(1+cosx)/(1-cos2x)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


i get to (1+cosx)/(1+cosx)(1-cosx) which is factored. so then setting each one to zero one at a time i figure out that
cosx = -1 and cosx = 1
then i get stuck from there.

here is what the page says to doStep 4
Setting each of those factors to zero, we get:

2705732cd4f64a0fb048539189f48a11.png
and
94e8342e5f0d65ecc1458a3d5f6ec48e.png

Step 5
Solving each of those, we get:

433994f5cd76da62c34aebba3cdd4860.png
and
2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
, where n is an integer
Step 6
Combining those, we get:

2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
, where n is an integer
Step 7
Since those values are where the denominator is zero, our domain is at every value EXCEPT those:

d94649fca4f03c2b1c9532778da0b48b.png
, where n is an integerI was hoping somebody could break down the steps after 4 , i have no clue where
433994f5cd76da62c34aebba3cdd4860.png
OR
2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
come from, thank you
You mean you don't know for which angles the cosine function is ±1 ?

Haven't you ever seen a graph of cosine (x) plotted out:


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Astraithious said:

Homework Statement


Find the domain of this function and check with your graphing calculator:
f(x)=(1+cosx)/(1-cos2x)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


i get to (1+cosx)/(1+cosx)(1-cosx) which is factored. so then setting each one to zero one at a time i figure out that
cosx = -1 and cosx = 1
then i get stuck from there.

here is what the page says to doStep 4
Setting each of those factors to zero, we get:

2705732cd4f64a0fb048539189f48a11.png
and
94e8342e5f0d65ecc1458a3d5f6ec48e.png

Step 5
Solving each of those, we get:

433994f5cd76da62c34aebba3cdd4860.png
and
2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
, where n is an integer
Step 6
Combining those, we get:

2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
, where n is an integer
Step 7
Since those values are where the denominator is zero, our domain is at every value EXCEPT those:

d94649fca4f03c2b1c9532778da0b48b.png
, where n is an integerI was hoping somebody could break down the steps after 4 , i have no clue where
433994f5cd76da62c34aebba3cdd4860.png
OR
2ea814dabad7213ec03d04641e5affda.png
come from, thank you

Really? You don't know what are the ##\cos## values of ##0## or or ##\pi = 180^{o}## or of ##2 \pi = 360^{o}##? You don't need a calculator to tell you those values; just draw a unit circle and use the geometric definition of ##\cos(\theta)##.
 
Cos(a) = 1
<=> Cos(a) = cos(0)
<=> a = n2π
n ∈ Z (integer numbers)

Same for cos(a) = -1

In general: cos(x) = cos(z) <=> x = z +n2π or x= -z + n2π
 
I would NOT do that factoring and canceling because \frac{1-x}{(1-x)(1+ x)} and \frac{1}{1+ x)} do NOT have the same domain. The first, \frac{1-x}{(1-x)(1+ x}, has domain "all real numbers except x= 1 and x= -1" while the second, \frac{1}{1+ x}, has domain "all real numbers except x= -1".

Instead, I would use the fact that 1- cos^2(x)= sin^2(x) so that \frac{1+ cos(x)}{1- cos^2(x)}= \frac{1+ cos(x)}{sin^2(x)}. That is defined for all x except those such that sin(x)= 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I would NOT do that factoring and canceling because \frac{1-x}{(1-x)(1+ x)} and \frac{1}{1+ x)} do NOT have the same domain. The first, \frac{1-x}{(1-x)(1+ x}, has domain "all real numbers except x= 1 and x= -1" while the second, \frac{1}{1+ x}, has domain "all real numbers except x= -1".

Instead, I would use the fact that 1- cos^2(x)= sin^2(x) so that \frac{1+ cos(x)}{1- cos^2(x)}= \frac{1+ cos(x)}{sin^2(x)}. That is defined for all x except those such that sin(x)= 0.

Nobody is cancelling anything in this thread.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Instead, I would use the fact that 1- cos^2(x)= sin^2(x) so that \frac{1+ cos(x)}{1- cos^2(x)}= \frac{1+ cos(x)}{sin^2(x)}. That is defined for all x except those such that sin(x)= 0.

Using this method, wouldn't that leave us with \frac{2}{0} or the indeterminate form \frac{0}{0} given x=n\pi \quad \forall \quad n \in \mathbb{Z}?

I also echo Ray Vickson's concern about remembering those trig values. It took me a while to get it, but it shouldn't be that hard to remember.
 

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