Finding the function from ds=[2/(1-r^2)]√ (dr^2+(rd∅)^2)

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The discussion focuses on the application of the Euler-Lagrange equation to determine the shortest distance in a rapid space, defined by the metric ds=[2/(1-r^2)]√(dr^2+(rd∅)^2). Participants explore how to derive a straight line from this metric using the Euler-Lagrange framework. Key insights include the necessity of demonstrating that the second derivative of φ, denoted as ##\ddot{\phi}##, equals zero to establish the equations of motion. A reference to a relevant paper is provided for further clarification on geodesics.

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in relativity theory, in a certain "rapid space" the distance between two neighboring points is given by-
ds=[2/(1-r^2)]√ (dr^2+(rd∅)^2)

(considering a 2D space )

use the euler lagrange equation to show that the shortest distance from origin to any point is straight line.

attempt-

i don't know what's a rapid space, but i took the function in the euler lagrange equation as
f= [2/(1-r^2)]√ (+(r∅')^2) [∅'=d∅/dr]


then since ∂f/∂∅=0, so ∂f/∂∅'= const= r^2/ [(1-r^2)]√ (dr^2+(rd∅)^2)]


but how does the integration lead to a straight line ? could anybody do that for me ?

p.s: this isn't a homework !
 
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rapidity space?
http://abacus.bates.edu/~msemon/RhodesSemonFinal.pdf
 
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I think all you need is to show that ##\ddot{\phi}=0##. With ##L=(1/2)(g_{rr}\dot{r}^2+g_{\phi\phi}\dot{\phi}^2)##. ##m## is set to 1 since it cancels out of the EOM.

From ##\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\phi}}\right)=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \phi}## is evident that ##\ddot{\phi}=0##.
 
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Mentz114 said:
I think all you need is to show that ##\ddot{\phi}=0##. With ##L=(1/2)(g_{rr}\dot{r}^2+g_{\phi\phi}\dot{\phi}^2)##. ##m## is set to 1 since it cancels out of the EOM.

From ##\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\phi}}\right)=\frac{\partial L}{\partial \phi}## is evident that ##\ddot{\phi}=0##.


i didn't understand. could you elaborate, please ?
 
nafizamin said:
i didn't understand. could you elaborate, please ?

Which piece did you not understand ?

I have to admit that the extremization here is to find equations of motion and I don't know if that corresponds to what you are trying to do. Also, my assertion about the sufficiency of ##\ddot{\phi}=0## is probably not right.

I need help too. Maybe someone else can put us right.

Did you read the reference given by robphy ? The section on geodesics may be relevant.
 
See page 949 in Robphy's link. The derivation given is clear and simple.
 
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yes found it on rolphy. thank you everyone.
 

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