Finding the geodesic equation from a given line element

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The discussion focuses on deriving the geodesic equation from the line element ds² = f(x) du² + dx². The geodesic equation is defined as \ddot{q}^j = -\Gamma_{km}^j \dot{q}^k \dot{q}^m, with the Christoffel symbols calculated as \Gamma_{ux}^{u} = \Gamma_{xu}^{u} = \frac{1}{f(x)} \frac{1}{2} \frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x} and \Gamma_{uu}^{x} = -\frac{1}{2} \frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x}. The user initially struggles with discrepancies between the equations of motion derived from the Lagrangian and the geodesic equation, ultimately realizing an error in applying the product rule in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


We've got a line element ds^2 = f(x) du^2 + dx^2 From that we should find the geodesic equation

Homework Equations


Line Element:
ds^2 = dq^j g_{jk} dq^k
Geodesic Equation:
\ddot{q}^j = -\Gamma_{km}^j \dot{q}^k \dot{q}^m
Christoffel Symbol:
\Gamma_{km}^j = \frac{g^{jl}}{2} \left( \frac{\partial g_{lk}}{\partial q^m} + \frac{\partial g_{lm}}{\partial q^k} - \frac{\partial g_{km}}{\partial q^l}\right)
Lagrangian in this case (no potential, just free particle)[/B]: L = T = \frac{m}{2}\dot{q}^j g_{jk} \dot{q}^k
Coordinates: u and x

3. The Attempt at a Solution

I am stuck because I am not getting the same equations of motions for my coordinate u from the Lagrangian (with Euler-Lagrange) and the Geodesic equation, and I think, it is because I got the wrong inverse metric tensor.
My metric tensor looks like this: \begin{equation} \begin{pmatrix}f(x) & 0 \\ 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}\end{equation} .
The inverse: \begin{equation}\begin{pmatrix}1/f(x) & 0 \\ 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}\end{equation}I got 8 possible Christoffel-Symbols, but only 2 will be non-zero:
\begin{equation}\Gamma_{ux}^{u} =\Gamma_{xu}^{u} = \frac{1}{f(x)} \frac{1}{2} \frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x}\end{equation}
\begin{equation}\Gamma_{uu}^{x} = -\frac{1}{2} \frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x}\end{equation}

If I plug those into the geodesic equation, I get 2 equations of motion. If I use the Euler-Lagrange-Equation to derive equations of motion from the lagrangian, I get the same equation of motion for x, but not for u.
Geodesic u:
\begin{equation}\ddot{u} + \frac{1}{2}\frac{1}{f(x)}\frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x} \dot{u}\dot{x} = 0\end{equation}
Euler-Lagrange for u:
\begin{equation}\ddot{u}\dot{x}\frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x} = 0 \end{equation}
I think it has to do with the inverse, cause for x I get the same equation for both ways:
\begin{equation}\ddot{x} - \dot{u}^2\frac{1}{2}\frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x} = 0\end{equation}

So my question is, is the metric tensor and it's inverse correct? If yes, where am I wrong?
Thank you ^^!
 
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First of all, you are off by a factor of 2 in your geodesic equation. The geodesic equation is:

\ddot{x^\mu} + \Gamma^\mu_{\nu \lambda} \dot{x^\nu} \dot{x^\lambda} = 0

So for u, we have:

\ddot{u} + \Gamma^u_{\nu \lambda} \dot{x^\nu} \dot{x^\lambda} = 0

The second term means sum over all possible values of \nu and \lambda. There are two nonzero values:
\nu = u, \lambda = x and \nu = x, \lambda = u. So you have:

\ddot{u} + \Gamma^u_{u x} \dot{u} \dot{x} + \Gamma^u_{xu} \dot{x} \dot{u} = 0

The second and third terms are equal, so you have:
\ddot{u} + 2 \Gamma^u_{u x} \dot{u} \dot{x} = 0

The second problem is with your Euler-Lagrange equation for u.

You have a Lagrangian: L = \frac{m}{2} (\dot{u}^2 f + \dot{x}^2)

Taking it in three steps:

p_u = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{u}}
F_u = \frac{\partial L}{\partial u}
\frac{d p_u}{dt} = F_u

What do you get for p_u and F_u?
 
stevendaryl said:
What do you get for pupup_u and FuFuF_u?

\begin{equation}p_u = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{u}} = m\dot{u}f\end{equation}
\begin{equation}\frac{\partial L}{\partial u} = 0\end{equation}
\begin{equation}\frac{dp_u}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}(m\dot{u}f) = m\ddot{u}f + m\dot{u}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\dot{x} = 0\end{equation}

Dividing by m and f will get me to the same geodesic (corrected) equation.
Edit: Ahh I messed up, I forgot the product ruleThank you very very much!
 
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