Finding the gravitational field of a rod

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The discussion focuses on calculating the gravitational field of a homogeneous rod with mass M and length L. For part (a), the user attempts to derive the gravitational potential by integrating contributions from infinitesimal segments of the rod but struggles with the complexity of the integral. Suggestions include expressing the integral in a simpler form and considering direct calculation of the gravitational field instead of potential. The conversation emphasizes using trigonometric relationships to simplify the integration process. The overall goal is to find the gravitational fields g(x) and g(y) accurately.
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Homework Statement


A homogeneous rod with even thickness has mass M and length L.
a) Find the gravitational field g(x) at a distance x from the rod on an axis normal to the midpoint of the rod.
b) Find the gravitational field g(y) at a distance y from the rod's midpoint on an axis through the rod in the direction of its length.


Homework Equations



Gravitational potential V(r) = -GM/r (1)
Gravitational field g(r) = -∇V(r) (2)

Where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the relevant object and r is the distance from the object.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) My plan was to first work out the gravitational potential through integrating the contributions from infinitesimal lengths of the rod (from -L/2 to L/2) and then use equation (2) to find the field. The mass per length of the road is μ = M/L, so an infinitesimal piece of the rod dm = μ dl, where dl is an infinitesimal length. I got dV(r) = -\frac{G dm}{r} = -\frac{G μ dl}{r}. The r is (pythagoras) √(x2 + l2), where l is the distance from the midtpoint of the rod. The problem arises when I try to integrate this function dV(r) = -\frac{G μ dl}{√(x^2 + l^2)} from -L/2 to L/2. Here's when I get in trouble. This integral is a bit hairier than expected, and I find it hard to get a reasonable answer. Could someone point me in the right direction here?
I'll post my attempts at the solution for b) if I can't figure it out after getting help with a).

Thanks,
J
 
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jjr said:

Homework Statement


A homogeneous rod with even thickness has mass M and length L.
a) Find the gravitational field g(x) at a distance x from the rod on an axis normal to the midpoint of the rod.
b) Find the gravitational field g(y) at a distance y from the rod's midpoint on an axis through the rod in the direction of its length.


Homework Equations



Gravitational potential V(r) = -GM/r (1)
Gravitational field g(r) = -∇V(r) (2)

Where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the relevant object and r is the distance from the object.

The Attempt at a Solution



a) My plan was to first work out the gravitational potential through integrating the contributions from infinitesimal lengths of the rod (from -L/2 to L/2) and then use equation (2) to find the field. The mass per length of the road is μ = M/L, so an infinitesimal piece of the rod dm = μ dl, where dl is an infinitesimal length. I got dV(r) = -\frac{G dm}{r} = -\frac{G μ dl}{r}. The r is (pythagoras) √(x2 + l2), where l is the distance from the midtpoint of the rod. The problem arises when I try to integrate this function dV(r) = -\frac{G μ dl}{√(x^2 + l^2)} from -L/2 to L/2. Here's when I get in trouble. This integral is a bit hairier than expected, and I find it hard to get a reasonable answer. Could someone point me in the right direction here?
I'll post my attempts at the solution for b) if I can't figure it out after getting help with a).

Thanks,
J

I didn't really check the rest of your work, but if you want to integrate \frac{G μ dl}{√(x^2 + l^2)},

try expressing that as \frac{\frac{G μ}{l} dl}{√(1 + \frac{x^2}{l^2})} then making the substitution \frac{x}{l} = y to get it into a simpler form, then substitute y = \sinh{u}.
 
Tried solving the integral and evaluating it from -L/2 to L/2, but it doesn't look legit. I think my reasoning has failed me at some point while setting up the expression for dV(r). The answer is suppose to be g(x) = -2 \frac{G M}{L x} * \frac{1}{√(1+(2x/L)^2)} i. Suggestions?

J
 
I think the integral is easier if you determine the field intensity directly.

ehild
 
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Right you are, I was perhaps a bit vague at this point; if I can find the scalar gravitational potential field the grav. vector field is given to be its gradient.
 
jjr said:
Right you are, I was perhaps a bit vague at this point; if I can find the scalar gravitational potential field the grav. vector field is given to be its gradient.

Yes, I noticed it at the end. Try to find the field directly. It leads to an easier integral.

ehild
 
And calculate with theta, using y=xtan(θ), r=x/cos(θ).

ehild
 

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