Finding the impedance in rectangular and polar form

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the impedance and admittance in both rectangular and polar forms from given complex equations. Participants seek clarification on the calculations and conversions involved in these processes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating impedance from the equation (5j-5)x(11j-11)/(5j-5)+(11j-11) and requests assistance.
  • Another participant factors the numerator and denominator of the given equation, suggesting it simplifies to a form that can be calculated easily.
  • A participant asks how to convert the resulting expression into polar and rectangular forms after receiving a partial solution.
  • Further replies provide hints about simplifying the expression and indicate that the rectangular form can be derived by canceling like terms.
  • Another participant inquires about finding the admittance of a different equation, suggesting a method to add real and imaginary parts separately to obtain the rectangular form.
  • Some participants clarify the notation and structure of the equations, emphasizing the importance of using grouping symbols for clarity.
  • There is a discussion about whether the values in the equations represent impedances or admittances, with some participants noting that this cannot be determined without additional context.
  • One participant questions the order of real and imaginary parts in the complex number representation, indicating a preference for the conventional format.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods for calculating rectangular and polar forms but express differing views on notation and the interpretation of the equations as impedances or admittances. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for notation and clarity in mathematical expressions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of impedance and admittance are not explicitly stated, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the simplification process. The discussion also highlights the importance of notation in conveying mathematical ideas clearly.

MFletch
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I don't fully understand how to work out the impedance from the given equation (5j-5)x(11j-11)/(5j-5)+(11j-11). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

The answer needs to be in rectangular and polar form.
 
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The numerator factors into 55\((j-1)^2\) and the denominator to 16(j-1); from here it should be simple to calculate the rectangular form.
 
Thank you, however, How would that convert to polar and Rec. form?
 
$$\frac{55{(j-1)}^{2}}{16(j-1)} = ?$$

Hint, cancel like terms and you will have the rectangular form.

so the rectangular form will be

$$\frac{55}{16}(j-1)$$
 
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great thank you I've got it!

What would be the best way to find the admittance of Z = (1/5j-1) + (1/2j+6) + (1/4j) in rectangular and polar form?
 
MFletch said:
great thank you I've got it!

What would be the best way to find the admittance of Z = (1/5j-1) + (1/2j+6) + (1/4j) in rectangular and polar form?

Add the imaginary parts together and separately add the real parts together to get the simplified rectangular form (aj + b) then you can convert to polar form by finding the magnitude = $\sqrt{{a}^{2}+{b}^{2}}$ and the angle = ${tan}^{-1}(\frac{a}{b})$
 
I’m not sure I follow
 
"What would be the best way to find the admittance of Z = (1/5j-1) + (1/2j+6) + (1/4j) in rectangular and polar form?"

Add together the 3 three terms given above. The first two terms are$ (\frac{1}{5}j-1)$ and $ (\frac{1}{2}j+6)$, what is the sum?

Hint:
What is the sum of $ \frac{1}{5}j$ and $ \frac{1}{2}j$?
What is the sum of -1 and 6?

I see also that this question is asking for admittance which is the reciprocal of impedance. So proceed as above to find the impedance in rectangular form and then find the reciprocal of that.
 
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MFletch said:
What would be the best way to find the admittance of Z = (1/5j-1) + (1/2j+6) + (1/4j) in rectangular and polar form?

just checking. do you mean ...

$Z = \left(\dfrac{1}{5} j - 1 \right) + \left(\dfrac{1}{2} j + 6 \right) + \left(\dfrac{1}{4} j \right)$

or ...

$Z = \dfrac{1}{5j - 1} + \dfrac{1}{2j + 6} + \dfrac{1}{4j}$
 
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skeeter said:
just checking. do you mean ...

$Z = \left(\dfrac{1}{5} j - 1 \right) + \left(\dfrac{1}{2} j + 6 \right) + \left(\dfrac{1}{4} j \right)$

or ...

$Z = \dfrac{1}{5j - 1} + \dfrac{1}{2j + 6} + \dfrac{1}{4j}$

the second equation
 
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skeeter said:
just checking. do you mean ...

$Z = \left(\dfrac{1}{5} j - 1 \right) + \left(\dfrac{1}{2} j + 6 \right) + \left(\dfrac{1}{4} j \right)$

or ...

$Z = \dfrac{1}{5j - 1} + \dfrac{1}{2j + 6} + \dfrac{1}{4j}$

MFletch said:
the second equation

That's what I thought. In future, use grouping symbols to set off the denominators like so ...

Z = 1/(5j-1) + 1/(2j+6) + 1/(4j)

... or learn to use Latex.Meanwhile, a common denominator is needed to add the three expressions ...

$Z = \dfrac{(2j+6)(4j)}{(5j - 1)(2j+6)(4j)} + \dfrac{(5j-1)(4j)}{(5j-1)(2j + 6)(4j)} + \dfrac{(5j-1)(2j+6)}{(5j-1)(2j + 6)(4j)}$

$Z = \dfrac{(24j-8)-(4j+20)+(28j-16)}{(5j-1)(2j + 6)(4j)}$

$Z = -\dfrac{48j - 44}{64j+112}$

can you complete the simplification from here?
 
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MFletch said:
the second equation
Then, instead of writing "Z = (1/5j-1) + (1/2j+6) + (1/4j)" you should have written something like "Z = 1/(5j-1) + 1/(2j+6) + 1/(4j)" .

Also, are the values impedances or admittances? This can't be determined just by looking at the complex numbers though the "Z = " could be construed to imply that they are impedances.

Also, why do you write the imaginary part of the complex number before the real part? Usually it is written the other way around.
 

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