Finding the Length of a Helix Using U-Substitution

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The discussion revolves around finding the length of a helix, specifically exploring the mathematical representation and integration involved in the process. The original poster attempts to prove that the length can be expressed using a specific formula involving parameters a and b.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster presents an integral setup for the length of the helix and expresses confusion regarding the integration process, particularly with u-substitution. Some participants question the validity of the u-substitution approach, suggesting alternative simplifications and clarifications.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, offering insights into potential simplifications and questioning the assumptions made in the integration process. There is a recognition of over-complication in the original poster's reasoning, with suggestions for a more straightforward method.

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The discussion includes a focus on trigonometric identities and the simplification of expressions within the integral, highlighting the need for clarity in the mathematical setup. The original poster's confusion about the integration process indicates a potential gap in understanding the relationship between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to prove that the length of a helix can be represented by [itex]2\pi=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}[/itex]

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I have the following so far:

If the helix can be represented by [itex]h(t)=a\cdot cos(t)+a\cdot sin(t)+b(t)[/itex]

Then the length is:
[tex]\int_{0}^{2\pi}\sqrt{(-a\cdot sin(t))^2+(a\cdot cos(t))^2+b^2}\;\: dt[/tex]

My problem comes when integrating this. If I use the stuff in the root as u and do u-substitution, then du equals 0dt:

[tex]u=a^2sin^(t)+a^2cos^2(t)+b^2[/tex]
[tex]du=(a^2sin(2t)-a^2sin(2t))dt=0dt[/tex]

My logic fails me when figuring out how to continue from there. I need to somehow represent 1dt. How do I do this?

Help would be awesome!
 
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If your du comes out to be zero, then u must be a constant. What constant is it? Use some trig to simplify your u.
 
You don't need u-substitution for this problem. Here's why:

Before you try taking the integral, inside the square root, you have a2sin2t + a2cos2t. Factor the a2 out of both of them. What happens?
 
Yep, was definitely over-thinking it. Thanks guys :)
 

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