Finding the matrix A such that, exp(sA) is in SU(2)

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The discussion revolves around finding a matrix A such that the exponential of sA, denoted exp(sA), belongs to the special unitary group SU(2). The original poster attempts to establish a relationship involving a matrix B that represents SU(2) matrices and explores the implications of this relationship.

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  • Participants discuss the conditions for a matrix to be in SU(2), including orthogonality and determinant constraints. There is an exploration of the implications of A being traceless and whether A must be Hermitian or antihermitian based on the value of s.

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Guidance has been provided regarding the properties of the matrix A, including the need for it to be traceless and antihermitian. Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning and clarifying assumptions without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There is some uncertainty regarding the definition of matrix B and its relevance to the problem. Participants also question the implications of the parameter s being real or imaginary on the properties of matrix A.

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Homework Statement



Finding the matrix A such that, exp(sA) is in SU(2)

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My attempt is in trying to solve

[tex]\left(e^{sA}\right)^{t} B \left(e^{sA}\right) = B[/tex]

for A, where A is some 2x2 (complex?) matrix.

and B is the matrix representing the group of SU(2) matrices. Trouble is I'm not sure what B is, but have been using the matrix of the general form of SU(2)

B = [ [tex]\alpha, -\beta*; \beta, \alpha*[/tex]], where * denotes the conjugate

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\left(e^{sA}\right)^{t} B \left(e^{sA}\right) = B[/tex]

simplifying to the solving of

[tex]A^{t}[/tex]B + B A = 0

which I'm not really having much success at doing. Anyone who knows more about this than me will see that I not really sure what I'm up to. Some help would be appreciated.

Thanks, in anticipation..
 
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I don't see what B has to do with anything. You just want S=exp(sA) to be is SU(2), right? That means S is orthogonal, i.e. S^+=S^(-1) (where ^+ is hermitian conjugate) and det(S)=1. For the first one, S^(-1)=exp(-sA) and S^+=exp(sA^+) and compare the expansions of the exponentials (I'm assuming you mean s to be real). For the second condition use det(exp(A))=exp(trace(A)).
 
Thanks, Dick - much appreciated.

I got went down the track of using the approach with B as it was used on another example that I had available to me. Your approach seems like common sense ... now.

Am I right that det(exp(sA))=exp(trace(A)) so the s does not figure in that calc?

Therefore, I require, exp(trace(A)) = 1, hence A is traceless?

Also, as an aside, am I correct in thinking that if s was not real, say s=i, then I can show that exp(iA) is unitary if A is Hermitian, so any traceless Hermitian matrix would be in SU(2)?

Thanks again - I'll carry on working through what you've given me..
 
Well, no, det(exp(sA))=exp(trace(sA)), you can't just leave the s out on one part. But if A is traceless, then sA is traceless. You reach the same conclusion. And, yes, if s=i then A must be Hermitian. Can you use the essentially the same argument to show if s is real, then A must be antihermitian? I.e. A^(+)=(-A)?
 
Actually, I've just done the expansions of S^(-1)=exp(-sA) and S^+=exp(sA^+), and comparing these brings me to exactly that conclusion, that A^(+)=(-A), ie. A must be antihermitian.

Adding the requirement, det(exp(sA))=1, would leave me concluding that A must be any traceless, antihermitian matrix. Does that sound on track?
 
wilco said:
Actually, I've just done the expansions of S^(-1)=exp(-sA) and S^+=exp(sA^+), and comparing these brings me to exactly that conclusion, that A^(+)=(-A), ie. A must be antihermitian.

Adding the requirement, det(exp(sA))=1, would leave me concluding that A must be any traceless, antihermitian matrix. Does that sound on track?

I believe you.
 
Got it! Brilliant ... thanks again for your time.
 

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