Finding the maximum power delivered from a baterry

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the optimal load resistance for maximizing power delivery from a battery with a specified electromotive force (emf) and internal resistance. Participants are exploring the relationship between load resistance and power output in the context of circuit theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss differentiating power with respect to load resistance and setting the derivative to zero to find maximum power. There is also a suggestion to express current in terms of load and internal resistance before differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using different forms of the power equation and have pointed out the dependency of current on load resistance. Questions about the assumptions underlying the equations and the conditions for maximum power delivery are being raised.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the implications of Kirchhoff's voltage law and the conditions under which the voltage across the battery terminals equals the emf. Participants are questioning the assumptions related to infinite conductivity and the relationship between voltage, current, and resistance.

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Homework Statement



A battery of emf [insert symbol for emf here] and internal resistance is hooked up to a variable "load" resistance R. If you want to deliever the maximum possible power to the load, what resistance should you choose?(You can't change the emf and r, of course).

Homework Equations



P=I^2*R=V^2/R
Possibly V=[insert symbol for emf here]-Ir

The Attempt at a Solution



I think what I should do is differentiate the Power with respect to the variable load R and sint dP/dR =0

P=V^2/R=([insert symbol for emf here]-Ir)^2/R
 
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Hi pentazoid! :wink:

(what's "sint"? :confused:)
pentazoid said:
I think what I should do is differentiate the Power with respect to the variable load R and sint dP/dR =0

P=V^2/R=([insert symbol for emf here]-Ir)^2/R

Looks good! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi pentazoid! :wink:

(what's "sint"? :confused:)

sorry , I meant to say since.
Looks good! :smile:

seriously?
 
pentazoid said:

Homework Statement



A battery of emf [insert symbol for emf here] and internal resistance is hooked up to a variable "load" resistance R. If you want to deliever the maximum possible power to the load, what resistance should you choose?(You can't change the emf and r, of course).

Homework Equations



P=I^2*R=V^2/R
Possibly V=[insert symbol for emf here]-Ir

The Attempt at a Solution



I think what I should do is differentiate the Power with respect to the variable load R and sint dP/dR =0

P=V^2/R=([insert symbol for emf here]-Ir)^2/R

This is correct but the current I depends on R as well so this not yet in a useful form.

I think it's simpler to use [tex]P = R I^2[/tex] with [tex]I = {\cal E} /(R+r)[/tex]. Now differentiate wrt R, set to zero and solve for R.
 
nrqed said:
This is correct but the current I depends on R as well so this not yet in a useful form.

I think it's simpler to use [tex]P = R I^2[/tex] with [tex]I = {\cal E} /(R+r)[/tex]. Now differentiate wrt R, set to zero and solve for R.

I'm trying to solve this problem but I'm having a hard time figuring out why I = (emf)/(r+R). Isn't V = emf when the conductivity is infinite? How is it infinite (or very big) in this case if the resistance is r.
 
Marioqwe said:
I'm trying to solve this problem but I'm having a hard time figuring out why I = (emf)/(r+R). Isn't V = emf when the conductivity is infinite?

To be honest, I don't know what you're talking about.

Kirchoff's voltage law (KVL) says that the sum of the voltages around a closed loop in a circuit has to equal zero (this is just the conservation of energy, when you think about it). In other words, the voltage drop across the two resistors has to be equal to the voltage across the battery terminals (which is just the emf). Everything is in series, so current through the circuit is the total voltage over the total resistance, hence I = ε/(r+R).
 

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