Finding the point on a circle closest to the given point

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The discussion revolves around finding the point on a circle defined by the equation x² + y² = 16 that is closest to a given point P(0, 6). Participants explore various mathematical approaches to determine the coordinates of this nearest point, including distance formulas and differentiation, while addressing discrepancies with a provided book answer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method involving the distance formula and attempts to derive the coordinates of the nearest point but encounters difficulties, claiming the book's answer is (+/-5, 3).
  • Another participant critiques the initial approach, emphasizing the need to correctly define the relationship between x and y, suggesting that the answer from the book is incorrect.
  • A further reply challenges the method of substituting y with y², stating that a boundary minimum is involved and suggesting that a graphical representation could clarify the shortest distance.
  • Another participant reiterates the distance function and expresses confusion over the calculations leading to y = 13/3, questioning the feasibility of finding a corresponding x value.
  • A later reply encourages the use of a plot to visualize the problem, indicating that this method helped identify errors in previous answers.

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Participants generally disagree on the correctness of the book's answer and the methods used to find the nearest point. Multiple competing views remain regarding the appropriate mathematical approach and the validity of the derived coordinates.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about the relationships between x and y, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the derivations presented. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the application of differentiation in this context.

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Find the curve coordinates of the point nearest to P in the circle
x2 + y2 = 16 P(0,6)

as the former ( see a gift )

x2 + (y-6)2 = 16 (1)

solving for y = y2 = 16- x2

introducing en 1 x2 +(16-x-6)2 = 16
x2 +100-20x + x2 = 16

derivating
4x -20
and x = 5

y = sqrt ( 16-25) and i Got stuck

The book ANSWER Is (+/-5, 3)
 
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I have retitled both threads to give them titles that describe the problems being discussed.

I would define a point on the circle as:

$$(x,y)$$

The square of the distance between this point and the given point is:

$$f(x,y)=(x-0)^2+(y-6)^2=x^2+(y-6)^2$$

Now, our constraint may be written as:

$$x^2=16-y^2$$

and so we have:

$$f(y)=16-y^2+y^2-12y+36=4(13-3y)$$

Differentiation will not help here. So check your boundaries...

The answer you cite from your book makes no sense.
 
leprofece said:
solving for y = y2 = 16- x2

You cannot arbitrarily set $y$ equal to $y^2$.
If you continue your argument with $y = \sqrt{16- x^2}$, you will find the answer.
However, the answer is different from the book answer, which is wrong, as Mark already noted.

In this particular problem this approach works when substituting y and solving for x, but not when substituting x and solving for y.
In a sense it still works when substituting x, but the minimum distance cannot be found with a derivative. It is a so called boundary minimum - for shorter distances there is no solution.

I suggest to draw the curve and the point.
You will be able to see immediately what the shortest distance is.
 
MarkFL said:
I have retitled both threads to give them titles that describe the problems being discussed.

I would define a point on the circle as:

$$(x,y)$$

The square of the distance between this point and the given point is:

$$f(x,y)=(x-0)^2+(y-6)^2=x^2+(y-6)^2$$

Now, our constraint may be written as:

$$x^2=16-y^2$$

and so we have:

$$f(y)=16-y^2+y^2-12y+36=4(13-3y)$$

Differentiation will not help here. So check your boundaries...

The answer you cite from your book makes no sense.

According to last part of the answer
y = 13/3
If i don't misunderstand
ok But $$x^2=16-y^2$$
then 16 -(13/3)
16 -18,77
So x does not have answer
 
Did you take I like Serena's advice and make a plot of the point and the circle? This was what I initially did and how I knew immediately the answer you gave is not correct.
 

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