Finding the point on a parabola closest to the origin

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The discussion revolves around finding the point on the parabola defined by the equation 2y² = 5(x + 1) that is closest to the origin (0,0). Participants explore methods for minimizing the distance from the origin to points on the curve, including the use of distance formulas and optimization techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the distance formula D = (x - 0)² + (y - 0)² to find the closest point, but expresses difficulty in deriving the answer.
  • Another participant questions whether the square root should be included in the distance formula, suggesting it might simplify the calculations.
  • A participant proposes minimizing the square of the distance for computational ease, providing a function f(x,y) = x² + y² constrained by the parabola's equation.
  • There is a suggestion to differentiate the function with respect to y to find critical values, with a later inquiry about solving for y instead of x.
  • A response indicates that while it is possible to solve for y, it may lead to complications similar to a previous boundary problem discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to solve the problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. Some participants agree on the utility of minimizing the square of the distance, while others explore alternative methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential simplifications by minimizing the square of the distance, but the implications of choosing different variables for constraint remain unresolved. The discussion includes various assumptions about the methods used and their applicability.

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Find the curve coordinates of the point nearest to P in the curve
2y2 = 5(x+1) P(0,0)
Book answer (-1,0)

ok (x-0)2+ (y-0)2 = D
D = (x)2+ (y)2
and (y)2 = -x2

Now -x2 = 5/2(x+1)

But derivating I don't get the answer or ansa
 
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Re: max and min 317

isn't the formula like

$$\sqrt{(x -0)^2 + (y- 0)^2} = D$$ ?

I think you forgot the square root . I'm not sure though but I think that cancels your squares in the end
 
leprofece, Please use thread titles that describe the problem.

You can in fact minimize the square of the distance for simplification of the computation:

$$f(x,y)=x^2+y^2$$

constrained by:

$$x=\frac{2}{5}y^2-1$$

So, substituting for $x$ into the objective function, we find:

$$f(y)=\left(\frac{2}{5}y^2-1 \right)^2+y^2$$

Now, differentiate with respect to $y$ and equate the result to zero to find the critical value.
 
MarkFL said:
leprofece, Please use thread titles that describe the problem.

You can in fact minimize the square of the distance for simplification of the computation:

$$f(x,y)=x^2+y^2$$

constrained by:

$$x=\frac{2}{5}y^2-1$$

So, substituting for $x$ into the objective function, we find:

$$f(y)=\left(\frac{2}{5}y^2-1 \right)^2+y^2$$

Now, differentiate with respect to $y$ and equate the result to zero to find the critical value.

One Thing
Can I solve for y and constrain with x instead of y how you did?
 
leprofece said:
One Thing
Can I solve for y and constrain with x instead of y how you did?

Yes, but then you run into a "problem." Try it and see...:D

It is still workable, but becomes a boundary problem like the circle problem you recently posted.
 

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