Finding the potential different across an un-parallel plate capacitor

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The discussion revolves around finding the potential difference across an un-parallel plate capacitor with plates of equal area, where one side has a distance d between the plates and the other side has a distance d+a. The original poster attempts to derive the electric field and potential using integration but finds the resulting expression complex and potentially incorrect.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the electric field and potential along metal plates, questioning the assumptions about charge distribution and the behavior of electric field lines. There is an exploration of the relationship between electric field and surface charge density, as well as the implications of potential being constant along a metal surface.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the electric field and potential. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of electric field lines and their relation to surface charge density, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is a lack of specific information regarding the charge on the plates, and participants are navigating the implications of this missing data while discussing the geometry of the capacitor and the behavior of the electric field.

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Homework Statement



Two plates of equal area: length b, width w
On one side, the plates are a distance d away from each other, on the other side, a distance d+a

Homework Equations



No equations given. Using
E= kq/r^2, V=-∫E*dl


The Attempt at a Solution



E = kq ∫∫dxdz/(x^2 + z^2 + y(x)^2)

y(x) = a + ax/b

Integrating x from 0 to b, and z from 0 to w.

Doing this gives a very very messy solution, give me the impression that this is the incorrect path.
 

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Hi Phy00, welcome to PF.
The plates are of metal, aren't they? What do you know about the potential along a metal surface?

Is the charge on the plates given?

ehild
 
The only thing given is the information on the figure. Yes, two metal plates.
 
Presumably the net charge on a plate is given. What do you know, can the potential change along a metal plate?

ehild
 
Do you mean that since the potential is same throughout a surface, I only need to find out the field at a certain point?
 
No, the field changes along the plates while the potential is constant. You need to guess the form of the electric field lines and find the surface charge density along the plates. What do you know about the direction of the electric field lines at an equipotential surface?

ehild
 
The field lines are ⊥ to the surface... so they would curve.
 
Yes. I think they can be considered circular arcs. Make a drawing. The potential difference at a distance from one edge of the capacitor can be obtained by integrating the electric field along the arc. You can consider the field constant along an arc. The electric field is connected to the surface charge density. You can get it in terms of the potential difference from the integral. Integrating the surface charge density for the plate, you get the relation between the charge and potential difference.

ehild
 
I'm a little lost when you say "The electric field is connected to the surface charge density."
Also, I can see how the field lines can curve, but near the edges, they wouldn't be circular.
 
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Do not mind the edges. You need some assumption about the electric field lines, and circular shape fullfills the requirement that they are perpendicular to the plates.

From Gauss' Law you know that q/ε0 field lines emerge from a charge q. In case of σ charge per unit area, the electric field inside the capacitor is σ/ε0 near a plate.

ehild
 

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