Finding the second derivative of multvariable function

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The discussion revolves around finding the second derivatives of a multivariable function, specifically \(\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial x^2}\) and \(\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial t^2}\), where \(z\) is expressed as a function of \(u\) and \(u\) is defined as \(u = x - vt\). Participants are exploring the relationships between these variables and the implications for differentiation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the second derivatives but expresses confusion about the differentiation process, particularly regarding the terms involving \(v\) and the relationships between \(u\), \(x\), and \(t\). Some participants question the definitions and derivatives of \(u\) with respect to \(x\) and \(t\).

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications on the derivatives of \(u\) and suggesting that the constants \(v\) and \(1\) should be treated accordingly during differentiation. There is a lack of consensus on the correct interpretation of the derivatives, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the signs and values of the derivatives of \(u\) with respect to \(x\) and \(t\), which may affect the computation of the second derivatives. The original poster is new to the topic, which may influence the depth of the discussion.

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Hello I am trying to figure out the second derivative of

\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial x^2} and \frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial t^2}

z(u) and u=x-vt

i found the first derivate of \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} to be
\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}= \frac{\partial z}{\partial u} * \frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial z}{\partial u} *1

and

\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial z}{\partial u} * \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}= \frac{\partial z}{\partial u}*v

after this i am clueless on how to compute
(\frac{\partial }{\partial t})\frac{\partial z}{\partial u}*v
and
(\frac{\partial }{\partial x})\frac{\partial z}{\partial u}*1

i am new here am hoping to receive some help i will greatly appreciate it!
 
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Are you trying to say that z(u)=x-vt?
 
i guess the answer should be for \frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial t^2} = v^2 * \frac{\partial^2t }{\partial u^2}

im not sure at all how to get this tho any help?
 
i guess I am trying to say that z is a function of u and u is a function of x and t
 
newguy1234 said:
Hello I am trying to figure out the second derivative of

\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial x^2} and \frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial t^2}

z(u) and u=x-vt

i found the first derivate of \frac{\partial z}{\partial x} to be
\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}= \frac{\partial z}{\partial u} * \frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial z}{\partial u} *1

and

\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial z}{\partial u} * \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}= \frac{\partial z}{\partial u}*v
No, since u= x- vt, \partial u/\partial t= -v, not v.

after this i am clueless on how to compute
(\frac{\partial }{\partial t})\frac{\partial z}{\partial u}*v
and
(\frac{\partial }{\partial x})\frac{\partial z}{\partial u}*1

i am new here am hoping to receive some help i will greatly appreciate it!
The "v" and "1" are constants. So you are just differentiating a function of x and t again:
\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{\partial z}{\partial u}= \frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial u^2}\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}
and, of course, \partial u/\partial x is 1.

Likewise
\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\frac{\partial z}{\partial u}= \frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial u^2}\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}
and \partial u/\partial t is -v.
 

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