Finding the Spring Constant of a mattress

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The discussion revolves around calculating the spring constant for a mattress based on the compression of springs when supporting a weight. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to forces and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of conservation of energy versus static force analysis to determine the spring constant. There are attempts to derive the spring constant using different methods, including energy equations and force relationships.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative perspectives on the problem, suggesting that the original approach may not adequately consider the dynamics involved. There is ongoing exploration of the assumptions made regarding energy conservation and the behavior of the system when the weight is applied.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of treating the problem as a static versus dynamic scenario, and there is mention of the need to consider the effects of momentum and kinetic energy in the context of the springs' compression.

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Homework Statement


A mattress manufacturer estimates that 20 springs are required to comfortable support a 100kg person. When supporting the person, the 20 springs are compressed 0.035m. Calculate the spring constant for one sprint.


Homework Equations


The answer is 1400N/M at the back of my textbook. How does one solve it?
Why does my solution not work?


The Attempt at a Solution


(20)Ee = Eg //The gravitational potential energy is transferred to the 20 springs.
20(0.5)(k)(x^2) = mgh
10(k)(0.035^2) = (100)(9.8)(0.035)
k = 2800N/M
So close yet so far...
 
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You have used conservation of energy. Think about the dynamics of that. Person let go from rest on uncompressed springs... what will happen?
You don't need to think about energy here. Just treat it as a statics question.
 
Ah,
F = kx
k = F/x
k = mg/x
k = (100)(9.8) / 0.035 x 20
k = 1400

I still think my solution should have worked. I don't understand conceptually why energy is not conserved.
 
012anonymousx said:
I still think my solution should have worked. I don't understand conceptually why energy is not conserved.
As I said, you treated it as though the person was suspended horizontally, just touching the bed, then released. Suppose energy is conserved - what will happen? The person will fall, compressing the springs, but 'overshoot'. When the force from the springs matches the person's weight, the person will stop accelerating, but already has momentum and KE, so will continue to descend. When descent ceases, the springs will be applying a larger force and the person will bounce back up. If energy is conserved they will come all the way back up to starting position before descending again, and bounce forever.
The question required the point at which there was no acceleration, somewhere between the extremes of the bounce.
 

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