Finding the subfields of a field

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The discussion revolves around the identification of subfields of the field \( K = F[x] / \langle p(x) \rangle \), where \( p(x) \) is an irreducible polynomial of prime degree in \( F[x] \). Participants explore the implications of the degree of the polynomial and the structure of the field extension.

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  • Participants discuss the degree of the field extension \( [K : F] \) and its relationship to the prime degree of \( p(x) \). Questions arise regarding the nature of subfields, particularly whether the only subfields are \( K \) and \( F \) due to the irreducibility of \( p(x) \).

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There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of irreducibility and the degree of the polynomial. Some participants have offered insights into the nature of the subfields and the necessity of irreducibility for the conclusions drawn. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants note that the irreducibility of \( p(x) \) is crucial for the discussion, and there are references to related concepts in finite fields and isomorphisms, indicating a broader context of field theory being examined.

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Suppose that ##p(x)## is an irreducible polynomial of prime degree in ##F[x]##. What are the subfields of ##K=F[x] / \langle p(x) \rangle##?

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For some reason I am not seeing how to approach this problem. Some pointers would be helpful.
 
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What is ##[\,K\, : \,F\,]## and what does the degree formula tells you, which you have read some minutes ago in the other thread?
 
fresh_42 said:
What is ##[\,K\, : \,F\,]## and what does the degree formula tells you, which you have read some minutes ago in the other thread?
Is ##[\,K\, : \,F\,] = q##, where ##q## is the degree of ##p(x)##? Does the degree formula show that the only subfields are ##K## and the trivial subfield because ##q## is prime and can't be decomposed into factors?
 
Yes. Although I wouldn't call ##F## the trivial subfield. And you need the irreducibility of ##p(x)##, too, for otherwise the degree of the field extension would be less than ##q##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. Although I wouldn't call ##F## the trivial subfield. And you need the irreducibility of ##p(x)##, too, for otherwise the degree of the field extension would be less than ##q##.
One more slightly related thing, that I don't really want to make another thread for. I know that ##\mathbb{Z} / \langle x^2 + 2x + 2\rangle## is isomorphic to ##\mathbb{Z} / \langle x^2 + x + 2\rangle##, because they are finite fields with order as a power of a prime, since they both have order ##3^2 = 9##. I'm just curious, is there a standard way that I could find an explicit isomorphism?
 
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One more slightly related thing, that I don't really want to make another thread for. I know that ##\mathbb{Z} / \langle x^2 + 2x + 2\rangle## is isomorphic to ##\mathbb{Z} / \langle x^2 + x + 2\rangle##, because they are finite fields with order as a power of a prime, since they both have order ##3^2 = 9##. I'm just curious, is there a standard way that I could find an explicit isomorphism?
Let me guess: you meant ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x] / \langle x^2 + 2x + 2\rangle## and ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x] / \langle x^2 + x + 2\rangle##?
I would determine the roots of the polynomials and map root to root. Say ##\xi^2+2\xi +2 = 0## and ##\eta^2+\eta +2 =0## then ##\varphi(\xi):=\eta## (and ##\varphi(a)=a## for ##a\in \mathbb{Z}_3##) should do.
 
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Let me guess: you meant ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x] / \langle x^2 + 2x + 2\rangle## and ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x] / \langle x^2 + x + 2\rangle##?
I would determine the roots of the polynomials and map root to root. Say ##\xi^2+2\xi +2 = 0## and ##\eta^2+\eta +2 =0## then ##\varphi(\xi):=\eta## (and ##\varphi(a)=a## for ##a\in \mathbb{Z}_3##) should do.
But aren't the polynomials irreducible?
 
Irreducibility depends on where. So, yes, they are irreducible in ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x]##, but they are not in ##\mathbb{Z}_3[\xi][x]##, resp. ##\mathbb{Z}_3[\eta][x]##. Of course, ##\xi## and ##\eta## are artificial numbers, but so is, e.g. ##\sqrt{2}## which also is only an abbreviation of a number that satisfies a polynomial equation, in this case ##x^2-2=0##.
 
fresh_42 said:
Irreducibility depends on where. So, yes, they are irreducible in ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x]##, but they are not in ##\mathbb{Z}_3[\xi][x]##, resp. ##\mathbb{Z}_3[\eta][x]##. Of course, ##\xi## and ##\eta## are artificial numbers, but so is, e.g. ##\sqrt{2}## which also is only an abbreviation of a number that satisfies a polynomial equation, in this case ##x^2-2=0##.
I see. I am little confused about the function definition though. For example, where would it send the element ##(ax+b )+ \langle x^2 + 2x +2 \rangle## for example?
 
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I see. I am little confused about the function definition though. For example, where would it send the element ##(ax+b )+ \langle x^2 + 2x +2 \rangle## for example?
Let's see:

##(ax+b )+ \langle x^2 + 2x +2 \rangle## corresponds to the element ##a\xi +b \in \mathbb{Z}_3[x]/\langle x^2+2x+2 \rangle##.
So ##\varphi(a\xi +b) = \varphi(a)\varphi(\xi)+\varphi(b)=a\eta +b \in \mathbb{Z}_3[x]/\langle x^2+x+2 \rangle## which corresponds to the polynomial class ##(ax+b )+ \langle x^2 + x +2 \rangle##.

To be sure, one would have to check, whether ##\varphi((ax+b) \cdot (cx+d))=\varphi(ax+b)\cdot \varphi(cx+d)## and ##\varphi((ax+b) + (cx+d))=\varphi(ax+b) + \varphi(cx+d)## hold. However, it is better to operate with ##\xi## and ##\eta##, because then it is clear, that they satisfy two different equations, whereas the difference in the multiplications of the polynomials isn't as obvious.
So better to check ##\varphi((a\xi +b) \cdot (c\xi + d))=(a\eta +b)\cdot (c\eta +d)## and ##\varphi((a\xi +b) + (c\xi +d))=(a\eta +b) + (c\eta+d)##.

Things become more difficult in extensions of higher degrees. But in the end, it's only a basis change of ##\mathbb{Z}_3## vector spaces. Since ##\varphi(a)=a## for all ##a \in \mathbb{Z}_3##, there is not much choice left rather than to map ##\xi \mapsto \eta## or on its conjugate, which would be the other root (that can be found by the division ##(x^2+x+2)\, : \,(x-\eta)\, = \, \ldots\;\;## Here's an example of how to do this with abstract numbers: https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...r-a-polynomial-over-z-z3.889140/#post-5595083).
 

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