Finding the time for the first shock for a quasilinear first order PDE

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The discussion revolves around the method for finding the time and position of the first shock wave in quasilinear first-order partial differential equations (PDEs) of the form ##u_t + g(u) u_x = f(u)##, with a specified initial condition. Participants explore the reasoning behind using the condition ##x_{\xi}=0## to determine shock formation and the implications of characteristics intersecting.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of using ##x_{\xi}=0## to find shock waves and seeks clarification on why this method works.
  • Another participant explains that a shock forms when neighboring characteristics intersect, which occurs when ##\frac{\partial x}{\partial \xi} = 0##.
  • A participant raises a concern about whether the method always determines the first shock, referencing an example where characteristics intersect but do not yield the first shock position.
  • It is noted that in the referenced example, the characteristics intersect at a point where ##t## is not minimal, suggesting that not all intersections correspond to the first shock.
  • Another participant points out complications in the example due to the non-existence of ##x_\xi## at a specific point, providing a specific time calculation for the intersection of characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about whether the method of setting ##x_{\xi}=0## always yields the position of the first shock. Multiple viewpoints regarding the conditions under which shocks form and the nature of characteristics remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the definition of neighboring characteristics and the specific conditions under which the method applies. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and the complexity of certain examples.

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Readers interested in the analysis of quasilinear first-order PDEs, shock wave formation, and characteristics in mathematical physics may find this discussion relevant.

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To find a shock wave, do we always solve the equation ##x_{\xi}=0##? The PDEs I consider are of the form ##u_t + g(u) u_x = f(u)##, with initial condition ##u(x,0) = h(x)##.
To find a shock wave, do we always solve the equation ##x_{\xi}=0##? The PDEs I consider are of the form ##u_t + g(u) u_x = f(u)##, with initial condition ##u(x,0) = h(x)##. I have been looking at the solutions for problems in my homework sheet but this method was used with no explanation.

Why does this method work to find the formation of the first shock?

Thank you very much!
 
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A shock forms when neighbouring charcteristics first intersect. Characteristics corresponding to neighbouring values of \xi will intersect when (x(\xi,t),t) = (x(\xi + \delta \xi, t), t) which to first order in \delta \xi requires \frac{\partial x}{\partial \xi} = 0.
 
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Thank you! Does this method always determine the first shock?

I have looked up an example to illustrate my doubt:

https://math.stackexchange.com/ques...-curve-and-sketch-characteristics-in-xt-plane

That question considers some PDE and obtains characteristics as follows:
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In this question, the characteristics for ##x > 0.5## intersect those for ##x < -0.5##. These are not neighbouring characteristics, but they have intersections. However, ##t## is not minimal there, so it's not the position of the first shock. These also do not seem to solve ##x_{\xi} = 0##.

From this "investigation", I guess that this means that this method of setting ##x_{\xi}=0## will always give the position of the first shock, and this always occurs due to characteristics which are close together.

Does this sound accurate? Thank you!
 
This example is complicated by the fact that x_\xi does not exist at \xi = 0. In this case, a characteristic in \xi &gt; 0 intersects the characteristic x = 0 when <br /> t = \frac{2\xi}{2 - \xi}. This first happens at <br /> \max \left\{ 0, \inf_{\xi \geq 0} \frac{2\xi}{2 - \xi} \right\} = 0.
 
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Thank you so much for all your help! :) I understand this more now ^^
 
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