Finding the total power delivered

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The discussion revolves around the concept of calculating total power delivered in an electrical circuit over a specified time interval, given a constant voltage and a time-dependent current function. Participants explore the definitions and mathematical setups involved in determining power versus energy in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that total power delivered can be expressed as P(t) = V*i(t) and questions whether to set up the integral as ∫ dP from A to B or ∫ P(t) dt from A to B.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the term "total power delivered," suggesting that it might be more appropriate to ask for total energy delivered or average power over the interval.
  • A later reply provides the full context of the problem, including a specific current function and a constant voltage, and reiterates the confusion surrounding the phrase "total power delivered."
  • One participant suggests that the question likely intended to ask for total energy delivered rather than total power, hinting at a possible typo in the problem statement.
  • Another participant acknowledges the oddity of the problem's phrasing and expresses uncertainty about how to derive a unit of power from the given setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of "total power delivered," with some arguing for the need to clarify the distinction between power and energy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the problem's phrasing, particularly the ambiguity surrounding the term "total power delivered" and the implications for the mathematical setup required to solve it.

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I'm really only concerned with the setup so I'm just going to ask it in a general sense, rather than the specific problem.

Homework Statement


Suppose you have a constant voltage and the current is described by i(t). Find the total power delivered between time A and time B.


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I got in a discussion with my classmates, and we couldn't settle which way is correct. So P(t) = V*i(t). Would it be set up as ∫ dP from A to B, or ∫ P(t) dt from A to B?

The first is summing small bits of power and will return a unit in Watts. The second sums energy and returns a unit in Joules. So which setup is right, and would the total power delivered end up being power, or energy?
 
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I'm not familiar with any definition of "total power delivered". Average power, sure, but not total power. Power is a rate of energy production or consumption with the units of watts or Joules per second.

The question would make more sense if it asked for total energy delivered over the given interval, or even average power delivered over that time.

When you set up a definite integral, the endpoints must have the same units as the differential elements being summed. So ∫dP would require end limits that are given in units of watts, not time.

So, I guess I'm saying that I'm not sure what to suggest given that the problem in its stated form doesn't make sense to me :smile: Is there another statement of the problem, perhaps in a context that would make it clearer?
 
Well this is the full question:

The voltage v is a constant 10 volts and the current i is described by the following function:

i(t) = (5t^2+20+6)/(t^3+2t^2+t) Amps

What is the total power delivered between t=1s and t=5s?
I figured since P is a function of time it would work since ∫ dP = ∫ P'(t) dt. And that would allow units in time. Or you could do it ∫ dP from P(A) to P(B), that would be the same.
It was also the phrase "total power delivered" that threw everyone else in my class off.
 
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Differentiating the function just to integrate it again doesn't strike me as being a particularly useful exercise.

I suspect that it was intended that the question ask you find the total energy delivered over the time interval rather than the total power, but was hit by a typo on the way to school :smile:
 
That makes sense. It struck me as odd that that was the way to solve it, but it was asking for power, and I couldn't figure out any other way to get a unit of power. Thanks.
 

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