Finding the Truth Set of a Predicate: 1 <= x^2 <= 4, domain: Z

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The problem involves finding the truth set of the predicate 1 <= x^2 <= 4, with the domain restricted to integers (Z). The original poster compares this to a similar example with real numbers (R) and seeks clarification on the differences between the two domains.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the same reasoning used for real numbers to the integer domain, questioning whether the truth set would be the same. They also seek to understand the distinction between real numbers and integers.
  • Some participants clarify the definitions of integers and real numbers, prompting the original poster to consider the specific integers that satisfy the predicate.
  • Questions arise about the inclusion of 0 in the integer set and its relation to the predicate.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and exploring the implications of the predicate within the integer domain. The original poster has received feedback on their reasoning and is encouraged to identify specific integers that meet the criteria.

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There is a note regarding the original poster's need for LaTeX formatting to clarify their expressions. The discussion also touches on the nature of the predicate and the implications of including or excluding certain integers.

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Hello everyone!

I was wondering if someone could check to see if i did this problem correctly.

THe directions are the following: Fid the truth set of each predicate.
predicate: 1 <= x^2 <= 4, domain: Z. Where Z stands for integers and <= stands for less than or equal to.

The book did an example of the following:
predicate: 1 <= x^2 <= 4, domain: R.
There answer was:
The truth set is the set of all real numbers x, with the properlty that 1 <= x^2 <= 4, so the truth set is {x e R|-2 <= x <= -1 or 1 <= x <= 2 }. In other words, the truth set is the set of all real numbers between -2 and -1 inclusive and between 1 and 2 inclusive.


Now for my problem, wouldn't the answer be the exact same thing but instead write:
The truth set is the set of all real numbers x, with the properlty that 1 <= x^2 <= 4, so the truth set is {x e Z|-2 <= x <= -1 or 1 <= x <= 2 }. In other words, the truth set is the set of all integers between -2 and -1 inclusive and between 1 and 2 inclusive.

note: e stands for element of. I need to find the latex for all this so it will be clearer.

Whats the major difference between real numbers and integers anyways?

Thanks! :D
 
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Well, your approach is technically correct, but you shouldn't leave it like that. The integers is the set of numbers with no fractional part:
{... -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ...}
The real numbers is the set of numbers that can be represented by an infinite decimal expansion, like 12, 1.9, 1.37373737..., or pi.

So you have the set of all integers between -2 and -1 inclusive or between 1 and 2 inclusive. Can you actually name those integers?
 
So i could just write:
The truth set is the set of all real numbers x, with the properlty that 1 <= x^2 <= 4, so the truth set is {x e Z|-2 <= x <= -1 or 1 <= x <= 2 }. In other words, the truth set is the set of all integers between -2 and -1 inclusive and between 1 and 2 inclusive. i.e. {-2,-1,1,2} Why isn't 0 included in the integer set?
Thanks for the help! :)edit: is 0 not included because it makes the predicate false? becuas if u plug in 0 for x, 0 is not less than or equal to 1 or less than or equal to 4
 
Right, {-2, -1, 1, 2}.
 
thanks again! :biggrin:
 

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