Finding the uncertainty of this problem

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The problem involves calculating the uncertainty in the spring constant, k, given a mass and the corresponding extension of a spring. The mass is specified with an uncertainty, and the extension is also provided with its own uncertainty. The context is rooted in the principles of mechanics and the behavior of springs.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss methods for calculating the spring constant both with and without uncertainties. There are attempts to clarify the process of determining maximum and minimum uncertainties, as well as the average spring constant. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of uncertainties and how they should be applied in calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of how to calculate the uncertainty in the spring constant. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider maximum and minimum uncertainties, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of symmetric error in their calculations and how to appropriately average values. There is also a mention of the assumption that gravitational acceleration is known precisely, which may influence the calculations.

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Homework Statement



When a mass of 166.5 ± 3.0 g is added to a spring the spring extends 7.20 ± 0.16 cm.

What is the uncertainty in the spring constant, k? You may assume g is known precisely with no uncertainty.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I just converted the units so 3.0 g = 0.003kg

and 0.16cm = 0.0016 m

so to find uncertainty I just did (0.003)(9.8)+(0.0016)

but that was wrong??

can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong here?
 
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These problems can be quite confusing. In this case, you first find the spring constant with the mass and extention without the uncertainties. Secondly, calculate the spring constant with maximum uncertainty. The next step is up to you.
 
flatmaster said:
These problems can be quite confusing. In this case, you first find the spring constant with the mass and extention without the uncertainties. Secondly, calculate the spring constant with maximum uncertainty. The next step is up to you.

then find it with minimum uncertainty and divide by 2??
 
Sounds good to me.
 
charmedbeauty said:
then find it with minimum uncertainty and divide by 2??

That will just get you the average spring constant, which you already know since the error is symmetric with respect to the average. Instead, the uncertainty is just the difference between the average and the maximum uncertainty one (or the average and the minimum uncertainty one).
 
Steely Dan said:
That will just get you the average spring constant, which you already know since the error is symmetric with respect to the average. Instead, the uncertainty is just the difference between the average and the maximum uncertainty one (or the average and the minimum uncertainty one).

would that be the max of mass and extension or just the mass??
and the average would that be the average of mass and extension?? Thanks..
 

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