Finding the unknowns of irrational equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving an irrational equation of the form x^2 + 7x + 10 + √(x^2 + 7x + 12) = 0. Participants are exploring the nature of the equation and the methods to find the unknowns of x without the use of calculators, as it is set in an exam context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to manipulate the equation by isolating the square root and squaring both sides, leading to a fourth-order polynomial. Others express uncertainty about the classification of the equation as irrational and question the validity of the exam question itself.

Discussion Status

There is a mix of approaches being discussed, with some participants suggesting factoring as a potential method, while others express skepticism about the solvability of the equation as presented. A few participants have offered insights into alternative methods, but there is no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the prohibition of calculators during the exam and the possibility of a misprint in the original equation, which could affect the difficulty of the problem.

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Homework Statement


For the following irrational equation

x^2 + 7x + 10 + \sqrt{x^2 + 7x + 12} = 0

Find all possible unknown of X.

Homework Equations



None. Just your ability to solve equations.

The Attempt at a Solution



First of all, I am not allowed to use a calculator to solve this (During an exam).

Second of all, I am not sure why this is considered as irrational equation, but I went ahead and attempted to solve it.

x^2+7x+10 = -\sqrt{x^2+7x+12}
x^2+7x+10 = -\sqrt{(x+4)(x+3)}
(x^2+7x+10)^2 = (x+4)(x+3)
x^4+14x^3+140x + 69x^2 + 100 = x^2 + 7x + 12
x^4 + 14x^3 + 68x^2 + 133x + 88 = 0

And I am completely stuck here. I know no method which you can solve this fourth order equation by hand (Remember, NO CALCULATORS TO SOLVE THIS)

Any ideas?
 
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The only thing you can try to do is to factor. And it only can be factored into two quadratics. And it would take a considerable amount of trial and error to find that. Do you want me to say that it's a really poor exam question? Because I would agree with that.
 
I don't know any way to do it either. I wonder if there's a misprint; if the 10 was a 12, it would be much easier ...
 
Dick said:
The only thing you can try to do is to factor. And it only can be factored into two quadratics. And it would take a considerable amount of trial and error to find that. Do you want me to say that it's a really poor exam question? Because I would agree with that.

Unfortunately, it actually is an exam question (Supposedly solvable). This was a question from Korean National Standarized Test. From what I heard, there's a real simpler way of doing this, but I just cannot figure out what it is.

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And yes, this can be solved very easily.

Set u = x^2 + 7x + 10

u + \sqrt{u + 2} = 0

\sqrt{u + 2} = -u

u + 2 = u^2

u^2 - u - 2 = 0

u = 2, -1

Now set the each corresponding u to two different equations

x^2 + 7x + 10 = 2

x^2 + 7x + 10 = -1

Solve for x.
 
You are a freaking GENIUS! Thanks a lot!
 
Doh!
 
Remember to get rid of false solutions!

u=2 cannot be used, since
2+\sqrt{2+2}=4\neq{0}
 

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