Finding the value of k (spring constant)

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The discussion revolves around determining the spring constant (k) of a spring that has been stretched and requires work to stretch further. The context involves concepts from mechanics, specifically related to springs and work-energy principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between work done and force applied to stretch the spring, questioning the validity of their equations and assumptions. There is a discussion about the total work done for different extensions and the role of initial and additional forces.

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The conversation includes attempts to derive the spring constant using work-energy principles. Some participants provide guidance on the relationship between work done and potential energy in springs, while others express confusion about these concepts. There is no explicit consensus on the final value of k, but there is acknowledgment of the reasoning presented.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the application of work-energy equations and the relationship between work done and potential energy in the context of spring mechanics. There is also mention of the need for further review of the relevant chapter.

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During a test experiment, the engineer finds an ideal very light spring has already been stretched 1.4m from its original length. He also finds that he needs to perform 100J of work to further stretch this spring an additional 1.5m. What is the value of the spring constant for this spring?

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W = F*d

F = -kx

So I wrote out that F1 = -kx to stretch the spring the initial 1.4m and then to stretch it the additional 1.5m it would take:

F2 +F1 = -2.9*k

I also wrote out:

F1 = -1.5k

Then I used 100 = F2*1.5

so F2 = 66.67 although I'm not sure if you can use this equation for a spring

Then 66.67 -1.5k = -2.9k and I tried solving for k but that didn't work so I'm not sure what else to try.
 
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p0ps1c1e said:
Then I used 100 = F2*1.5
There are two problems with that approach. First, your F2 is the additional force to get the extra 1.5m extension, but while extending it that 1.5m the total force applied is between F1and F1+F2. Therefore F1is an important part of the work done.
Secondly, the force only reaches F1+F2 at full extension, so neither can you write 100 = (F1+F2)*1.5.

In terms of k, what work was done to stretch it 1.4m? What total work was done to stretch it 1.4+1.5m?
 
So W1 = 1/2k*(1.4)^2 = 0.98k
W2 = 100
WorkTotal = 1/2k(2.9)^2 = 4.205k

Then I put it together 4.205k = 0.98k + 100J

so k = 31 N/M ?

Also, I thought 1/2kx^2 was for potential energy of a spring. So I'm kind of confused about the difference between the two now
 
p0ps1c1e said:
so k = 31 N/M ?
Looks right.
p0ps1c1e said:
I thought 1/2kx^2 was for potential energy of a spring.
The work done to stretch a spring (from slack) equals the potential energy stored in the spring (assuming no losses). Where's the confusion?
 
Thanks. I guess I just need to review this chapter some more
 

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