Finding the Zeros of a Polynomial: Viète's Formulas [SOLVED]

  • Thread starter Thread starter ehrenfest
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Polynomial
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the zeros of a polynomial, specifically P(x) = x^4 - 6x^3 + 18x^2 - 30x + 25, with the additional information that the sum of two of the roots is 4. The context involves applying Viète's formulas to relate the roots of the polynomial to its coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of Viète's relations, attempting to express the roots in terms of each other based on the given sum. Questions arise regarding the substitution of expressions into the relations and the complexity of the resulting equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for substitution into Viète's relations, while others express confusion about the complexity of the equations derived from these substitutions. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to simplify the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may become more complicated than initially anticipated, reflecting the challenges often encountered in exam situations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to derive relationships between the products of the roots based on the sums already established.

ehrenfest
Messages
2,001
Reaction score
1
[SOLVED] zeros of a polynomial

Homework Statement


Find the zeros of the polynomial

P(x) = x^4-6x^3+18x^2-30x+25

knowing that the sum of two of them is 4.

Homework Equations


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viète's_formulas

The Attempt at a Solution


Let x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4 be the complex roots and let x_1 +x_2 = 4. Here are the Viete relations in this case:

x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4 = 6

x_1 x_2 +x_1 x_3 +x_1 x_4 + x_2 x_3 + x_2 x_4 +x_3 x_4 = 18

x_1 x_2 x_3 + x_1 x_3 x_4 +x_2 x_3 x_4 +x_1 x_2 x_4= 30

x_1 x_2 x_3 x_4 = 25

The first one implies that x_3 +x_4 =2. And then the second one implies that x_1 x_2 + x_3 x_4 = 10 but that is as far as I can get.

Please just give a hint.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
ehrenfest said:
x_1 +x_2 = 4 … x_3 +x_4 =2.

Hint: so x_2 = 4 - x_1 and x_4 = 2 - x_3.

Go substitute! :smile:
 
Do you mean into

<br /> P(x) = x^4-6x^3+18x^2-30x+25<br />

?
 
No … I mean substitute into your Viete relations. :smile:
 
Sorry tiny-tim, I don't know see why that helps:

For the second Viete relation I get:

4x_1 - 2 x_3 - x_1^2-x_3 ^2+ x_1 x_3 = 10

For the third one I get

8x_1 + 8x_3 - 2 x_1 ^2 - 4 x_3^2 = 30

For the fourth one I get

8 x_1 x_3 + x_1 ^2 x_ 3^2 - 2x_1 ^2 x_3 - 4 x_1 x_3 ^2 = 25

Is there a simple way to solve these equations?
 
hmm … turned out more complicated than I thought. :frown:

Well … that's what happens in exams sometimes … you try something, and it doesn't work, so you try the next most obvious thing … :smile:

Now this will work:

in your
ehrenfest said:
x_1 x_2 +x_1 x_3 +x_1 x_4 + x_2 x_3 + x_2 x_4 +x_3 x_4 = 18

x_1 x_2 x_3 + x_1 x_3 x_4 +x_2 x_3 x_4 +x_1 x_2 x_4= 30

put (x_1 + x_2)s together, and (x_3 + x_4)s, and you should get two equations in x_1x_2 and x_3x_4, from which you get x_1x_2 = … and x_3x_4 = … ? :smile:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K