Finding Upper and Lower Bounds for Speed in km/h

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The discussion revolves around finding the upper and lower bounds for Martin's speed in a 400 metre race, with specific attention to the precision of the time and distance measurements. The problem involves concepts from kinematics and measurement accuracy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the precision of the distance and time measurements, questioning how to derive upper and lower bounds based on these values. There are attempts to clarify the calculations for speed based on the bounds of distance and time.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved in determining the bounds for speed. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, while others are questioning the accuracy of specific calculations and interpretations of the bounds.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the precision of the measurements (to a tenth of a second for time and to 1 cm for distance) and the implications this has on the calculations. There is also mention of the need for exact values versus approximate calculations.

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Homework Statement


Martin won the 400 metre race in a time of 1 minute
The time was correct to a tenth of a second
The distance was correct to 1cm

Find the upper and lower bounds of Martin's speed in km/h

Homework Equations


Speed = distance over time


The Attempt at a Solution


400 = 0.4km to 1 cm it's 0.4005 or 0.3995
1 second = 0.00277777777777 hours

how do I find the upper and lower bounds for a tenth of a second from the number above (it's recurring).

THe upper bound of speed = upper bound of distance/lower bound of time
The lower bound of speed = lower bound of distance/upper bound of time

Thanks
:cool:
 
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thomas49th said:

Homework Statement


Martin won the 400 metre race in a time of 1 minute
The time was correct to a tenth of a second
The distance was correct to 1cm

Find the upper and lower bounds of Martin's speed in km/h

Homework Equations


Speed = distance over time


The Attempt at a Solution


400 = 0.4km to 1 cm it's 0.4005 or 0.3995
1 second = 0.00277777777777 hours
You've misplaced a decimal position. If the distance is "correct to the nearest cm"- i.e. rounded to the nearest centimeter, then it could be as much as 400 m+ .5 cm= 400 m+ .005 m= 400005 m = .400005 km. Similarly, if could be as low as 400m- .005 m= 399.995 m= .499995 km.

For the "nearest tenth of a second", the true time could be as low as 1 min+ .5 second= 1 min+ .008333 min= 1.008333 min= 0.0168055 hr or as low as 1 min- .5 second= 1 min- .008333 min= .99166 min= .016528 hr.

how do I find the upper and lower bounds for a tenth of a second from the number above (it's recurring).

THe upper bound of speed = upper bound of distance/lower bound of time
The lower bound of speed = lower bound of distance/upper bound of time

Thanks
:cool:
You don't need to get an exact value do you?
"The upper bound of speed = upper bound of distance/lower bound of time"
so .400005 km/.016528 hr= 24.20 km/hr
"The lower bound of speed = lower bound of distance/upper bound of time"
so .499995 km/0.0168055 hr = 29.75 km/hr.

If you do need the exact value then leave the numbers in fraction form.
The maximum distance is 400.005 m= 0.400005= 400005/1000000 km and the minimum distance is .49995= 499995/1000000 km.
The minimum time is 1- (1/2)/60= 1- 1/120= 119/120 min= 119/7200 hr and the maximum time is 1+ (1/2)/60= 1+ 1/120= 121/120 minutes= 121/7200 hr.

The upper bound on speed is (400005/1000000)(7200/119)= 2880036/11900000 km/hr while the lower bound on speed is (499995/1000000)(7200/121)= 3599964/12100000 km/hr. Those, of course, can be reduced.
 
The actual question is:

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you've made a mistake :bugeye:

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You don't need to get an exact value do you? 
"The upper bound of speed = upper bound of distance/lower bound of time"
so .400005 km/.016528 hr= 24.20 km/hr
"The lower bound of speed = lower bound of distance/upper bound of time"
so .499995 km/0.0168055 hr = 29.75 km/hr.

isn't it .399995 = 23.801km/h

and isn't the upper bound

.400005 / 0.016805555 = 23.802km/h

both answers are to 5.s.f
 
Yes, of course! Thank you.
 

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