Finding velocity and work of a collision

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The discussion revolves around a collision problem involving two bodies of equal mass, where participants analyze the velocities before and after the collision, as well as the change in kinetic energy. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically momentum and energy conservation in collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the decoupling of velocity components to find the final velocity of body B and the work done during the collision. There are questions regarding the validity of the calculated kinetic energy change and the implications of the final velocity of body A being significantly lower than its initial velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions of the problem, particularly regarding the mass and energy transfer during the collision. Some express confusion about the results and explore the possibility of unusual conditions affecting the outcome.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the masses of the bodies are stated to be equal, which raises questions about the observed changes in velocity. There is also speculation about the nature of the problem's values, suggesting they may have been generated without sufficient realism.

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Homework Statement


Two 2.5 kg bodies, A and B, collide. The velocities before the collision are ##\vec{v}_A = \left( 50 \hat{i} + 50 \hat{j} \right)~m/s## and ##\vec{v}_B = \left( 38 \hat{i} + 2.3 \hat{j} \right)~m/s##. After the collision, ##\vec{v}'_A = \left( 10 \hat{i} + 9.4 \hat{j} \right)~m/s##. What are (a) the x-component and (b) the y-component of the final velocity of B? (c) What is the change in the total kinetic energy (including sign)?

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So i decoupled the x and y components and found the components of the velocity of B separately
For x
2.5*50+2.5*38=25*10+2.5*v
v_x=78 m/s

For y
2.5*50+2.5*2.3=2.8*9.4+2.5*v
v_y=42.9 m/s

I then stayed with the decoupled approach to find the work done in each direction
for x:
initial KE= 1.25*50^2+1.25*38^2=4930J
final KE= 1.25*10^2+1.25*78^2=7730J

for y:
initial KE= 1.25*50^2+1.25*2.3^2= 3131.61J
final KE= 1.25*9.4^2+1.25*42.9^2=2410.96J

Subtracted the initial KE from final KE to find work (ignore the unnecessary parentheses as they give me a sense of organization)
(7730J+2410.96J)-(4930J+3131.61J)
2080.35 J
This cannot be right can it? How can the system gain KE?
 
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It seems like the velocities haven't shown up. Here is a direct screenshot of the problem:
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This is a strange problem. How can you have object A moving in the +x direction at 50 m/s, and object B moving in the +x direction at 38 m/s, then, after the collision, object A is moving in the +x direction at only 10 m/s - unless energy was imparted to object A by some other means than the collision?

One other possibility is that sometimes I just get confused when I look at some of these problems.
 
The only way I can see that happening is if B has a larger mass than A, but it is stated that their mass are equal. Anyway I used the solutions and they were correct. Unless I am missing something, this is a very peculiar problem indeed.
 
Even if B was infinite mass, the velocity of A could not change that much. If B was an infinite mass, and A and B had a perfectly elastic collision, A would bounce off of B with, at most, equal and opposite x component of the velocity. So since the difference is initially +12 m/s, the final difference would be -12 m/s - or an absolute velocity of (38-12) = 26 m/s.

Maybe B had some type of explosive reactive armor. That must be it. :)
 
More prosaically, perhaps the problem's values were auto-generated by software (so everyone gets a unique question) and the author didn't put in sufficient reality checking.
 

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