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The problem involves calculating the work done while pulling a 200 kg sleigh across a level surface at a constant velocity, given a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.13 and a distance of 94 meters. Participants are exploring the relationship between forces acting on the sleigh, including friction and normal forces, in the context of work done.

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  • Participants discuss how to find the net force acting on the sleigh and the relevance of friction and normal forces in calculating work. Questions arise about whether to include both forces in the work calculation and how to approach the problem given the constant velocity condition.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts related to work and forces. Some participants have provided guidance on focusing on the frictional force for work calculations, while others are questioning the assumptions about the forces involved and their contributions to work.

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Participants note that the surface is level and that the sleigh is moving at a constant velocity, which influences the forces considered in the calculations. There is also a mention of vector considerations in the context of work and force directionality.

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The problem reads:

"someone is pulling a 200kg sleigh across a field at a constant velocity. If the coefficient of kinetic friction is .13, how much work do they do on the sleigh if they pull it 94 meters?"

I know I have to find force net and then use the formula for work (force x distance)

how would I go about finding force net? Force friction+Force normalizing (which would be mass x gravity?)

any guidance would be helpful asap. thanks!
 
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The way the problem is written you can assume it's a level (horizontal) field.
 
m4ya said:
The problem reads:

"someone is pulling a 200kg sleigh across a field at a constant velocity. If the coefficient of kinetic friction is .13, how much work do they do on the sleigh if they pull it 94 meters?"

I know I have to find force net and then use the formula for work (force x distance)

how would I go about finding force net? Force friction+Force normalizing (which would be mass x gravity?)

any guidance would be helpful asap. thanks!

You don't do any work on the normal force. It's perpendicular to the direction of displacement. Think vectors.
 
Sorry I forgot to mention the problem also states the surface is level, and the sleigh is moving with a constant acceleration. Would I begin by finding force friction and force normalizing?
 
You'll want the normal force first.
 
m4ya said:
Sorry I forgot to mention the problem also states the surface is level, and the sleigh is moving with a constant acceleration. Would I begin by finding force friction and force normalizing?

Yes, do that. But then tell me why only the frictional force is important for the work done.
 
So I multiplied

200kg x 9.8 =1960 (normal force)

1960 x .13 = 254.8 (Force friction)

Would these two be added together to equal force net?

or do I just use the force friction to find the work because the surface is level?
 
Are you lifting the sled, or dragging it?
 
pulling, there is no angle. It is a level surface
 
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m4ya said:
So I multiplied

200kg x 9.8 =1960 (normal force)

1960 x .13 = 254.8 (Force friction)

Would these two be added together to equal force net?

or do I just use the force friction to find the work because the surface is level?

The forces would be added together as vectors. And the equation for the work is the dot product of the force with the displacement. You do know about vectors, right?
 
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so work =force x distance

so 2214 N x 94 m =208,116...

this number seems to big. what am I doing wrong?

isn't it something along the lines of setting the two equal to 0?
 
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m4ya said:
so work =force x distance

so 2214 N x 94 m =208,116...

this number seems to big. what am I doing wrong?

isn't it something along the lines of setting the two equal to 0?

You don't add forces pointing in different directions together to get a single number. You have to think about vectors. Each of those forces contributes to the work differently because the work depends on the direction of the force and the direction of the displacement. Not just the magnitude of each.
 
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m4ya said:
or do I just use the force friction to find the work because the surface is level?

Yes! Why not include the normal force? Tell me why.
 
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is it because the normal force is acting on the object both up and down? the surface is opposing 1960 N and the object is exerting 1960 N of force on it? so one is positive, one is negative, and they cancel? The i'd get the answer by multiplying the force friction by the distance?
 
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m4ya said:
is it because the normal force is acting on the object both up and down? the surface is opposing 1960 N and the object is exerting 1960 N of force on it? so one is positive, one is negative, and they cancel? The i'd get the answer by multiplying the force friction by the distance?

That's actually a pretty good guess. But it isn't quite complete. If a force is acting on an object perpendicular to the direction of motion then no work is done. Work isn't as simple as magnitude of force*magnitude of distance. There are directions to think about. Do you about vectors and dot products?
 

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