Finite Element Analysis - Author J.N Reddy Book

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding concepts presented in the book 'An introduction to the Finite Element Method' by J.N. Reddy, specifically focusing on the assembly of stiffness matrices for finite element analysis. Participants are seeking clarification on the matrix representations and their implications in the context of finite element modeling.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding a specific section of the book and requests assistance with a particular page.
  • Another participant suggests that representing the stiffness matrices in matrix form could enhance understanding, providing a specific example of assembling stiffness matrices for two linear elements.
  • A later reply questions the derivation of the assembled matrix from the book, noting discrepancies such as the presence of terms that do not apply to a two-element system.
  • Some participants argue that the matrix in the book is misleading and propose that a visual representation with missing columns indicated would clarify the assembly process for multiple elements.
  • One participant points out that for two elements, certain terms are zero, suggesting that the notation used in the book is more applicable to systems with more than two elements.
  • A mechanical engineer shares their preference for graphical matrix layouts over the linear algebra form presented in the book, indicating that the latter is more relevant for software development in finite element analysis.
  • Another participant humorously suggests an alternative method for visual representation using paper and colored pens, acknowledging the clarity provided by a previous contributor's matrix notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and accuracy of the matrix representations in the book, with some agreeing on the need for visual aids while others maintain that the linear algebra form is necessary for software applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to represent the matrices.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in the book's presentation, such as missing assumptions and the implications of notation for systems with varying numbers of elements. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in transitioning from theoretical representations to practical applications in finite element analysis.

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Folks,

Is there anyone out there familiar with 'An introduction to the Finite Element Method' by J.N. Reddy?

I am struggling to decipher what is happening on page 129 as shown in the attachment. If some-one is willing to help I will reply with a more specific query on that page. Thanks
 

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I think this would be easier to understand if you write it in matrix form.
Suppose you have two linear elements joined end to end, so there are 3 nodes.
If the stiffness matrices of the two elements are
$$\begin{bmatrix}
k^1_{11} & k^1_{12} \\
k^1_{21} & k^1_{22}
\end{bmatrix}$$
and $$\begin{bmatrix}
k^2_{11} & k^2_{12} \\
k^2_{21} & k^2_{22}
\end{bmatrix}$$
The assembled stiffness matrix is
$$\begin{bmatrix}
k^1_{11} & k^1_{12} & 0 \\
k^1_{21} & k^1_{22}+k^2_{11} & k^2_{12} \\
0 & k^2_{21} & k^2_{22}
\end{bmatrix}$$
And similarly for the right hand side vectors.

You probably first met this idea in a dynamics course, setting up the equations of motion for mass-and-spring systems.
 
AlephZero said:
I think this would be easier to understand if you write it in matrix form.
Suppose you have two linear elements joined end to end, so there are 3 nodes.
If the stiffness matrices of the two elements are
$$\begin{bmatrix}
k^1_{11} & k^1_{12} \\
k^1_{21} & k^1_{22}
\end{bmatrix}$$
and $$\begin{bmatrix}
k^2_{11} & k^2_{12} \\
k^2_{21} & k^2_{22}
\end{bmatrix}$$
The assembled stiffness matrix is
$$\begin{bmatrix}
k^1_{11} & k^1_{12} & 0 \\
k^1_{21} & k^1_{22}+k^2_{11} & k^2_{12} \\
0 & k^2_{21} & k^2_{22}
\end{bmatrix}$$
And similarly for the right hand side vectors.

You probably first met this idea in a dynamics course, setting up the equations of motion for mass-and-spring systems.

Thanks.Actually further down the page the matrix form is shown (see attached). However, I don't see how the assembled matrix you have shown for 2 linear elements can be derived 'explicitly' from the matrix attached. Ie, the second row of attached contains ##k_{11}^3## which does not exist for a system of 2 elements...? Of course we know it does not exist hence we can simply not write it in but...
 

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I think the matrix in the book is slightly misleading. There should also be a vertical dotted line showing that some columns are missing, lile
$$\begin{bmatrix}
\color{red}{ k^1_{11}} & \color{red}{k^1_{12}} & & \vdots \\
\color{red}{k^1_{21}} & \color{red}{k^1_{22} + k^2_{11}} & \color{blue}{k^2_{12}} & \vdots \\
& \color{blue}{k^2_{21}} & \color{blue}{k^2_{22} + k^3_{11}} & \vdots \\
\cdots & \cdots & \cdots & \ddots & \cdots & \cdots \\
& & & \vdots & k^{N-1}_{22} + k^N_{11} & \color{red}{K^N_{12}} \\
& & & \vdots & \color{red}{k^N_{21}} & \color{red}{K^N_{22}}
\end{bmatrix}$$

When N = 1, you just have the first and last rows and columns forming a 2x2 matrix.

When N = 2, you have the first second and last rows and columns forming a 3x3 matrix, i.e. the matrix entries shown in red.

When N = 3, you have the entries shown in red and blue.
 
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In two elements K11^3 = 0 as there is no U4 either. Its just the notations that are generally written for more than two elements
 
As a mechanical engineer I found it much easier to lay out the matrices as AlephZero has done (i.e. graphically), the reason the author of the book lays them out in equation or linear algebra form is basically that's what you would need if you were writing your own FEA software.

Great posts AlephZero! That's some impressive application of TEX!
 
AlephZero said:
I think the matrix in the book is slightly misleading. There should also be a vertical dotted line showing that some columns are missing, lile
$$\begin{bmatrix}
\color{red}{ k^1_{11}} & \color{red}{k^1_{12}} & & \vdots \\
\color{red}{k^1_{21}} & \color{red}{k^1_{22} + k^2_{11}} & \color{blue}{k^2_{12}} & \vdots \\
& \color{blue}{k^2_{21}} & \color{blue}{k^2_{22} + k^3_{11}} & \vdots \\
\cdots & \cdots & \cdots & \ddots & \cdots & \cdots \\
& & & \vdots & k^{N-1}_{22} + k^N_{11} & \color{red}{K^N_{12}} \\
& & & \vdots & \color{red}{k^N_{21}} & \color{red}{K^N_{22}}
\end{bmatrix}$$

When N = 1, you just have the first and last rows and columns forming a 2x2 matrix.

When N = 2, you have the first second and last rows and columns forming a 3x3 matrix, i.e. the matrix entries shown in red.

When N = 3, you have the entries shown in red and blue.

THanks to all and particularly AlephZero. His matrix notation greatly clarifies things for me.

Appreciated.
Ed
 
Mech_Engineer said:
As a mechanical engineer I found it much easier to lay out the matrices as AlephZero has done (i.e. graphically),

Actually, there's a better technology than TeX for doing this. It's called "some big sheets of paper and a pack of colored pens." :smile:

(But Mech_Engineer probably knew that already.)
 

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