Finite Fields Homework: Showing K has q Elements

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The problem involves finite fields, specifically showing that a set K, defined as {x in F: x^q = x}, is a subfield of a finite field F with q^n elements. The discussion includes proving properties related to polynomial roots and divisibility.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the properties of roots of unity and their implications for polynomial divisibility. There are attempts to connect the divisibility of polynomials to the structure of finite fields.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in understanding the roots of the polynomials involved, while others express confusion about the relationships between the roots and the implications of divisibility. There is ongoing exploration of the connections between the elements of K and the roots of unity.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of polynomial equations and their roots within the context of finite fields, with some expressing frustration over the clarity of the connections being discussed.

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Homework Statement



Let q=pm and let F be a finite field with qn elements. Let K={x in F: xq=x}

(a) Show that K is a subfield of F with at most q elements.

(b) Show that if a and b are positive integers, and a divides b, then Xa-1 divides Xb-1

i. Conclude that q-1 divides qn-1 (in Z), and therefore
ii. Xq-X divides Xqn (in F[X])

(c) Use the fact that Xq-X divides Xqn-X, and the fact that every element of F is a root of Xqn-X, to show that K has exactly q elements.

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The Attempt at a Solution



(a) I have completed this part. Any element of F satisfies Xq-X so it was easy to show that a+b, ab, a-b, a/b are in K.

(b) since a divides b => b=a*s for some s a positive integer, but I don't see the connection with that in showing Xa-1 divides Xb-1
 
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For (b). Try to show that the roots of X^a-1 are also roots of X^b-1.
Note that the roots are roots of unity, and they form a cyclic group.
 
So because a and b are real numbers, the roots of unity are 1 and -1, right? So this implies Xa-1 divides Xb-1?
 
83956 said:
So because a and b are real numbers, the roots of unity are 1 and -1, right? So this implies Xa-1 divides Xb-1?

No, there can be more roots. But they lie in a field extension. In general, X^a-1 has exactly a roots (counting multiplicity).
 
Xa-1 has a roots
Xb-1 has b roots

but since a divides b b=a*s for some positive integer s

so set a=a*s => s=1 so the number of roots in each equation is the same

?
 
83956 said:
Xa-1 has a roots
Xb-1 has b roots

but since a divides b b=a*s for some positive integer s

so set a=a*s => s=1 so the number of roots in each equation is the same

?

Not really, that makes little sense.

Take a root c. It holds that c^a=1. Can you prove that c is a root of X^b-1??
 
Well Xb=1

so then ca=1 has a=b
 
83956 said:
Well Xb=1

so then ca=1 has a=b

No, a and b are fixed. they can be anything! They don't need to equal each other...
 
Ok I am thoroughly confused and getting frustrated...
 

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