First Order ODE problem (ipod battery)

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The discussion revolves around a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) problem related to the battery life of two MP3 players, the aPod and the bPod. The equations governing the battery life percentages A(t) and B(t) are presented, along with initial conditions for both players.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different methods to solve the ODEs, including separation of variables and integrating factors. Some express uncertainty about the initial conditions and the nature of the equations, particularly questioning the non-linearity of the bPod's equation.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the methods to solve the equations, with some participants sharing their attempts and results. Guidance has been offered regarding integration techniques, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the hint against using partial fractions and the unusual initial condition for the bPod. There are also concerns about the implications of negative time in the context of battery life.

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Homework Statement



Cappy McGreenhorn is looking to buy a new MP3 player. His primary concern is the
battery life of the MP3 player. He has decided on either the aPod or the bPod. The
percentage of battery life A(t) (after t hours) for the aPod is governed by:

(100 - t2)dA/dt + 4tA = 0; with A(0) = 100:

The percentage of battery life B(t) (after t hours) for the bPod is governed by:
100dB/dt - B2 + 10000 = 0; with B(0) = 100 tanh(12):

(a) Which MP3 player should Cappy buy in order to get the longest playback time?
(b) What is the battery charge on the bPod at t = 6?
(c) When does the aPod hold a 50% battery charge?

Homework Equations



HINT: Do not use partial fractions to do the integration. Use the fact that:
d/dx(arctanh(x)) =1/(1 - x2)


The Attempt at a Solution



I worked out Apod to be (1/100) (100-t2)2
But I think this is wrong.
The second part I used separable vales and ended up with

B= 100tanh(1/100 (t + 12))
However, I know that my second solution must be wrong since you cannot have negative
time and when the battery = 0, my time will be -12 hours. :(

Is it possible to use integrating factors to do the first order ode problem for bpod?
 
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Also for my hours i got 10 and 12 hours respectively. But I am still unsure about the Bpod :'(
 
I have been trying to solve the Bpod but I can't seem to get it. That has to be the strangest initial condition I have ever seen. (For a textbook problem.) Obviously it is simply 100 because the tanh(12) is 1. (Assuming radians are being used.)

Thanks
Matt
 
Clef said:

Homework Statement



Cappy McGreenhorn is looking to buy a new MP3 player. His primary concern is the
battery life of the MP3 player. He has decided on either the aPod or the bPod. The
percentage of battery life A(t) (after t hours) for the aPod is governed by:

(100 - t2)dA/dt + 4tA = 0; with A(0) = 100
So dA/A= 4tdt/(100- t2). Let t= 100- t2 on the right and integrate

The percentage of battery life B(t) (after t hours) for the bPod is governed by:
100dB/dt - B2 + 10000 = 0; with B(0) = 100 tanh(12):
Is that "B2" supposed to be B2? If so the equation is not linear and you cannot find the "integrating factor".

100dB/(10000- B2)= -dt

(a) Which MP3 player should Cappy buy in order to get the longest playback time?
(b) What is the battery charge on the bPod at t = 6?
(c) When does the aPod hold a 50% battery charge?

Homework Equations



HINT: Do not use partial fractions to do the integration. Use the fact that:
d/dx(arctanh(x)) =1/(1 - x2)
Good hint! So that was B2. Let u= B/100 so that 10000- B2= 10000- 10000u2= 10000(1- u2) and du= 100dB. Your equation becomes (1/10000)du/(1- u^2)= -dt or du/(1- u^2)= -10000 dt. Did you miss the negative here? As the hint tells you that integrates to arctanh(u)= arctanh(B/100)= -10000t+ C.3 Now, at t=0, you have arctanh(tanh(12)= C or C= 12.

The Attempt at a Solution



I worked out Apod to be (1/100) (100-t2)2
But I think this is wrong.
The second part I used separable vales and ended up with

B= 100tanh(1/100 (t + 12))
However, I know that my second solution must be wrong since you cannot have negative
time and when the battery = 0, my time will be -12 hours. :(

Is it possible to use integrating factors to do the first order ode problem for bpod?
 
HallsofIvy said:
So dA/A= 4tdt/(100- t2). Let t= 100- t2 on the right and integrate

Let t=100-t^2? I tried doing this but I couldn't make sense of it... how would I integrate it?

Also, thanks so much for posting your help.
 
I meant, of course, "let u= 100- t2". Then du= -2t dt so t dt=-(1/2)du. The equation becomes dA/A= -2du/u. That should be easy to integrate.
 

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