First Time Home Buyer (Savings Question)

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The discussion centers around strategies for saving for a down payment on a first home, exploring various financial options such as traditional savings accounts, IRAs, CDs, and mutual funds. Participants share their insights on the best approaches based on different time horizons and financial goals.

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  • One participant considers using an IRA for saving, noting the ability to withdraw up to $10,000 without penalty as a first-time homebuyer, but expresses uncertainty about the Roth IRA limits.
  • Another participant mentions the low interest rates on savings accounts, suggesting they are not a viable long-term option.
  • It is noted that both traditional and Roth IRAs allow for a $10,000 withdrawal for first-time home purchases, but participants advise consulting a financial adviser for specifics.
  • Some participants argue that the choice of savings vehicle should depend on the timeline for needing the funds, with one example illustrating minimal interest gains over a short period.
  • For those planning to buy within five years, a savings account is recommended due to its lower risk compared to stock market investments.
  • A participant suggests that military members might benefit from CDs offered by military credit unions, emphasizing the importance of not locking into long-term CDs given the current low rates.
  • Discussion includes the potential for higher returns from bonds and equities, but also highlights the risks associated with stock market investments, especially in light of past market volatility.

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Participants express differing opinions on the best savings strategy, with some advocating for conservative options like savings accounts and CDs, while others suggest exploring bonds and equities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach based on individual circumstances and timelines.

Contextual Notes

Participants emphasize the importance of considering the timeline for needing the funds, which affects the suitability of different savings options. There are also references to the current economic climate and its potential impact on interest rates and investment returns.

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My wife and I are beginning to save for our first house and I had a question about saving for a down payment. What is the best option in saving for a house? Traditional savings account, IRA, or other? I was thinking an IRA option, but I'm still learning the financial game. I know with a traditional IRA you can withdraw up to $10,000 without penalty as a first time home buyer; however, I'm unsure if there is a limit for the Roth IRA. Every place I read just stated you can withdraw from a Roth IRA without penalty for first time home buying.

On a plus side, my family is in good condition right now because we live, in essence, rent free due to my military commitments. Also, we have more than enough money in savings and a decent retirement nestegg for our ages.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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The last time I checked, I was getting about a quarter of a percent interest on my savings account. At that rate, you might as well put the money under the bed mattress.
 
Unless the rules have changed recently, the $10,000 withdraw for new homebuyers (also includes building or rebuilding a first home) is the same for both a Trad & Roth IRA. There are specific details to that rule, so find an adviser you can trust about this. Don't just withdraw $10,000 on your own.

Saving accounts & CDs at banks are actually about the worst place to keep money for long term purposes with the low rate of return.

Their are financial companies and representatives that will help people invest in mutual funds monthly, and there is a diversity of mutual funds to meet everyone needs. Even some for which the return is exempt from federal taxes.

For a shorter term goal such as a down payment, a bond fund might be best. Better return then bank, not a volatile as equity stocks.
 
Many people are giving you advice without asking the question "When do you need the money"? Where you should put it is a strong function of when you need it.

As an example, if you are putting $1000 a month away for 10 months at 0.75%, the difference between having the interest taxable and not works out to about $7.
 
If you are looking to buy a home in the next 5 years I'd say savings account. ING gives me 1.1% and I think ally bank is giving around 1.25% atm. 5 years is way too short to try the stock market unless you create a very conservative portfolio (even then you can lose money!) in which case you might as well just use a savings acount - less hassle/paperwork etc.


Since it is short term saving, I would just focus on good budgeting rather than focusing on where I can make a few extra dollars in a savings/market account.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. To answer Vanadium's question, the timeline for a down payment is a bit "up in the air". I'm not exactly sure when I'll be getting out of the military. It could be three years (earliest) or 20 years (latest). Right now I'm leaning towards 20 years since I'll be able to pull in a decent pension and only be 41 years old, which is still young enough to get a job.
 
If you are in the military, then stick to CD's. You can get better than average rates with the military credit unions. Since the rates are so low, don't lock into long term CD's, or get CD's that allow you to change the rate once.

( rates will be going up bigtime when the economy improves. The Fed has already asserted this fact, and they control rates. ).

The problem with mutual funds is that there have been so many boom and bust moments in the market that they have negative returns for the 3 and 5 year. From 9/11 to present day there has been no return for your risk, so just avoid it. You are in the military and you should not worry about where your money is.
 
As Vanadium indicated it depends on one's time horizon.

Money markets/saving accounts are paying rather low interest rates (~1%), and that could increase once the Fed and others start raising interest rates. Some bonds pay a little more like the 2-3% range. One could look at tax free municipal bonds.

Or one could look into purchasing equities (stocks) of reputable companies.

Right now GE's common stock is about $14.71 per share (close Fri, Aug 26).
EPS (ttm): 0.96
Div & Yield: 0.48 (3.30%)

Disclaimer: No endorsement is expressed or implied.

So one can get a reasonable return and the stock may appreciate. Of course it could go down in the near term if the economy softens.

One could put some money in cash investment for liquidity, some in bonds and some in equities. Really high yields usually imply riskier investments, e.g., hedge funds.
 

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