Fixed end beams-Direction of moment

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The discussion revolves around determining the direction of moments (clockwise or anticlockwise) for fixed end beams, focusing on the interpretation of diagrams and sign conventions used in structural analysis. Participants explore the implications of different conventions and the clarity of provided examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the direction of moment is towards the side of the beam that is compressed.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the diagrams, questioning whether the moments depicted are reactions or moments in a free body diagram, and notes inconsistencies in the sign convention used.
  • A different participant proposes that the diagrams may follow a mathematicians' convention where anticlockwise moments are considered positive and clockwise moments negative, contrasting this with the engineering convention.
  • One participant argues that the moments shown in the diagrams should be considered positive as drawn, challenging the negative sign attributed to them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the diagrams or the appropriate sign conventions, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions regarding the direction of moments.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clear sign conventions accompanying the diagrams, which contributes to the confusion. There are also mentions of unspecified difficulties with certain entries in the provided examples.

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Hi,I am trying to find out how to decide the direction of moment (clockwise or anticlockwise) for a fixed end beam (for example).
As far as I know the direction is towards the side of the beam which is compressed.

The link below shows some examples with directions of moments.
Can someone explain to me why the directions are like this?

http://www.colincaprani.com/files/notes/SAIV/SAIV - Exam Handout.pdf
 
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socrates_1 said:
The link below shows some examples with directions of moments.
Can someone explain to me why the directions are like this?

http://www.colincaprani.com/files/notes/SAIV/SAIV - Exam Handout.pdf

:eek::eek::eek: What a horribly confusing set of diagrams! :eek::eek::eek:

He doesn't say whether the M's are meant to be the reactions, or the moments on the end of the beam in a free body diagram.

And the arrows seems to be showing the direction of the actual (positive) moments, not a consistent sign convention.

There seem to be too many "unknowns" to "explain" exactly what the author meant, but those statements should point you in the direction of figuring out something that YOU understand (which is more important in than trying to second guess the author, IMO)
 
Any such table should be accompanied by a clear set of sign conventions.

Presumabably Dr Caprani is using the same ones taught on your course?

It rather looks as though Dr C is using the mathematicians and programmers reverse convention of anticlockwise moments positive and clockwise moments negative at any point.

This is different from the usual engineering convention that would refer to a short length of beam with two moments (one at each end) with the convention that if the pair generates hogging or sagging moments in the section they are positive or negative (or the other way round).

This alternative convention leads to MA and MB having the same sign in the first three entries in your table, unlike the mathematicians convention.

Note, however, you reported difficulty with some entries but did not say which ones?
 
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He shouldn't have put a negative sign on those moments on the right-hand-side. The moments shown on the diagrams are the reactions, and are positive as drawn.
 

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