Moment at Two Ends of Beam: Understanding Variations and Direction

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of moments in beams under different support conditions, specifically comparing cantilever beams and pinned beams. Participants explore the variations in moment distribution and the implications of different loading scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in a cantilever beam, the moment is constant throughout due to the fixed support at one end and the applied couple at the opposite end.
  • Others argue that in pinned beams, the moment varies from -20 kNm to 0, with a linear slope in between, due to the inability of pinned supports to resist moments.
  • One participant questions why the moment at the opposite end of a pinned beam is zero rather than positive 20 kNm, suggesting confusion over the directionality of moments.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of support conditions in determining how forces and moments are distributed within the beam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and disagreement regarding the moment values at the ends of the beams, particularly in relation to pinned versus cantilever beams. There is no consensus on the reasoning behind the zero moment at the opposite end of the pinned beam.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding moment directionality and the implications of different support conditions on moment distribution.

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Homework Statement


in the first diagram , i notice that the moment is constant throughout the beam...

why in the second notes, for the moment 20kNm at 2 ends of beam, why the moment varies from -20kNm to 0 from one end to another end?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Which is correct? Which is wrong?
i'm confused...
another thing that i noticed is why no matter moment is clockwise or anticlockwise, the moment is always -20kNm??(as we can see ,moment is anticlockwise on the left , clockwise on the right...)
 
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chetzread said:

Homework Statement


in the first diagram , i notice that the moment is constant throughout the beam...

why in the second notes, for the moment 20kNm at 2 ends of beam, why the moment varies from -20kNm to 0 from one end to another end?

hbaHRJu.jpg

ii7MFar.jpg


Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Which is correct? Which is wrong?
i'm confused...
another thing that i noticed is why no matter moment is clockwise or anticlockwise, the moment is always -20kNm??(as we can see ,moment is anticlockwise on the left , clockwise on the right...)
You can't compare beams willy-nilly. The support conditions influence how the forces and moments distribute within the beam.

In the first case, you have a cantilever beam, with the left end fixed and a couple applied at the opposite end. In order to maintain static equilibrium, there will be a constant moment present along the length of the beam, as shown in Fig. (b). The fixed end of the cantilever has a reactive couple, which combines with the applied couple to make a zero net moment for the beam.

In the other two beam cases, the beam is pinned at each end and a couple of magnitude 20 kN-m is also applied at each end. Pinned connections cannot support a moment, so the moment diagram shows the magnitude of each couple where it is applied and a zero moment at the opposite end of the beam, with a linear slope in between.
 
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SteamKing said:
You can't compare beams willy-nilly. The support conditions influence how the forces and moments distribute within the beam.

In the first case, you have a cantilever beam, with the left end fixed and a couple applied at the opposite end. In order to maintain static equilibrium, there will be a constant moment present along the length of the beam, as shown in Fig. (b). The fixed end of the cantilever has a reactive couple, which combines with the applied couple to make a zero net moment for the beam.

In the other two beam cases, the beam is pinned at each end and a couple of magnitude 20 kN-m is also applied at each end. Pinned connections cannot support a moment, so the moment diagram shows the magnitude of each couple where it is applied and a zero moment at the opposite end of the beam, with a linear slope in between.
why moment at the opposite end of the beam will be 0 ? why not positive 20kNm ?
 
chetzread said:
why moment at the opposite end of the beam will be 0 ? why not positive 20kNm ?
I explained that in my post.

If you are not going to read the replies to your questions, what are you doing on this site?
 
SteamKing said:
You can't compare beams willy-nilly. The support conditions influence how the forces and moments distribute within the beam.

In the first case, you have a cantilever beam, with the left end fixed and a couple applied at the opposite end. In order to maintain static equilibrium, there will be a constant moment present along the length of the beam, as shown in Fig. (b). The fixed end of the cantilever has a reactive couple, which combines with the applied couple to make a zero net moment for the beam.

In the other two beam cases, the beam is pinned at each end and a couple of magnitude 20 kN-m is also applied at each end. Pinned connections cannot support a moment, so the moment diagram shows the magnitude of each couple where it is applied and a zero moment at the opposite end of the beam, with a linear slope in between.
why not positive 20kNm ? why it's 0 ? we can see , the moment 20kNm at the left ( anticlockwise) is opposite to the moment on the right (clockwise)
 

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