Understanding Fixed End Moments in Beams: AE vs EA

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The discussion centers on understanding fixed end moments AE and EA in beam mechanics, particularly regarding their sign conventions and calculations. Participants explore the implications of different moment conventions and their effects on the analysis of bending moments in beams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether fixed end moments AE and EA should be the same and attempts to calculate them using a specific equation.
  • Another participant clarifies the right-hand rule for determining moment signs, stating that clockwise is negative and counter-clockwise is positive.
  • A participant points out that the author of the original post seems to have chosen anticlockwise as positive in their calculations, leading to confusion about the values of AE and EA.
  • Reference is made to a previous thread where a participant suggested that either clockwise or anticlockwise can be chosen as positive, but consistency is emphasized when drawing bending moment diagrams.
  • One participant advises that maintaining a consistent convention (right-hand or left-hand) is crucial for correct calculations and interpretations of moments.
  • A later reply warns about common mistakes with sign conventions and suggests a specific equation format for determining unknown reactions, indicating that a negative result implies an anticlockwise moment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sign conventions for moments, with some advocating for clockwise as positive and others supporting the opposite. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct application of these conventions in the context of fixed end moments.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about moment conventions and the potential for errors in sign usage. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities and relies on participants' interpretations of the conventions.

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I don't understand the fixed end moment AE and also fixed end moment EA ? shouldn't they be the same ?

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For the fixed moment AE / fixed moment EA , shouldn't it = -10(2) +5(2) = -10 , for fixed end moment , we always assume clockwise as positive and anticlockwise as negative , right ?
 

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If you use the right-hand rule, then clockwise will be negative (Thumb pointing away from you), while counter-clockwise will be positive (thumb toward you).
 
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scottdave said:
If you use the right-hand rule, then clockwise will be negative (Thumb pointing away from you), while counter-clockwise will be positive (thumb toward you).
So , in this example , the auhthor chose that the anticlockwise moment as positive ?
So , the author's working of Fixed moment AE 10(2) -5(2) = 10 kNm , the 10kNm is anticlockwise moment ?then , why shouldn't the fixed moment EA = -10kNm ?
 
scottdave said:
If you use the right-hand rule, then clockwise will be negative (Thumb pointing away from you), while counter-clockwise will be positive (thumb toward you).
In this thread
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/moments-sign-convention-in-beam.910959/page-2 , ( post#29)
@PhanthomJay stated that we can choose either clockwise or anticlockwise as positive ?

But , when we draw the bending moment diagram , we must always keep clockwise as positive ...So , that's why the -10kNm ( antoiclockwise moment ) has negative value in the bending moment diagram ?
 
So as long as your convention (right hand/ left hand) is consistent throughout, then you should be OK. The 5 kN pointing up from the left side of the pivot does create clockwise. The 10 kN/m pointing down on the left side creates anticlockwise. This creates a larger value moment so the anticlockwise wins.
 
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There are lots of ways to go wrong with the minus sign. I urge you to use clockwise moments as plus when determining unknown reactions. And to assume the unknown moment reactions as clockwise .When you solve for it , and if it comes out minus, then it is actually anticlockwise.
In your example, I would write the equation as 5(2) - (10)(2)(1) + MAE = 0. Solve MAE = +10, clockwise.
 
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