Fixed point theorem knowing that ##T^n## is a contraction

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The discussion revolves around a problem in fixed point theory within the context of metric spaces. The original poster is tasked with proving the existence and uniqueness of a fixed point for a mapping \( T \) on a complete metric space, given that \( T^n \) is a contraction for some positive integer \( n \).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of \( T^n \) being a contraction and question how this relates to the properties of \( T \) itself. There is discussion about defining sequences based on \( T^n \) and whether these sequences converge to a fixed point. Some participants suggest proving that the sequence formed is Cauchy, while others inquire about the uniqueness of the fixed point.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to approach the proof. There is an acknowledgment of the need to show that if a point is a fixed point of \( T^n \), it can also be shown to be a fixed point of \( T \). Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the nature of contractions and fixed points.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the definitions involved, particularly the distinction between \( T \) and \( T^n \) being contractions. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the conditions under which fixed points exist and the uniqueness of such points.

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Homework Statement .
Let ##X## be a complete metric space and let ##T:X \to X## such that there exists ##n \in \mathbb N##: ##T^n## is a contraction. Prove that there is a unique ##x \in X## such that ##T(x)=x##.

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Sorry but I am completely lost with this exercise and I am a little bit confused about the following: if ##T^n## is a contraction, would this mean that for any ##x,y \in X## ##d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<αd(x,y)## or ##d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<αd(T^{n-1}(x),T^{n-1}(y))##, for ##0<α<1##?. How could I begin the exercise to find the ##x## such that ##T(x)=x##?.
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .
Let ##X## be a complete metric space and let ##T:X \to X## such that there exists ##n \in \mathbb N##: ##T^n## is a contraction. Prove that there is a unique ##x \in X## such that ##T(x)=x##.

The attempt at a solution.
Sorry but I am completely lost with this exercise and I am a little bit confused about the following: if ##T^n## is a contraction, would this mean that for any ##x,y \in X## ##d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<αd(x,y)## or ##d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<αd(T^{n-1}(x),T^{n-1}(y))##, for ##0<α<1##?. How could I begin the exercise to find the ##x## such that ##T(x)=x##?.

Let's just write ##C## instead of ##T^n## so we can skip some exponents. Here's a hint. Pick ##x_0## to be any point. Now define ##x_1=C(x_0), x_2=C(x_1)##, etc. Now you've got things like ##d(x_1,x_2)=d(C(x_0),C(x_1)) \le αd(x_0,x_1)##. The first step is going to be trying to prove that sequence is Cauchy.
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .
Let ##X## be a complete metric space and let ##T:X \to X## such that there exists ##n \in \mathbb N##: ##T^n## is a contraction. Prove that there is a unique ##x \in X## such that ##T(x)=x##.

The attempt at a solution.
Sorry but I am completely lost with this exercise and I am a little bit confused about the following: if ##T^n## is a contraction, would this mean that for any ##x,y \in X## ##d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<αd(x,y)## or ##d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<αd(T^{n-1}(x),T^{n-1}(y))##, for ##0<α<1##?.
BOTH. The definition of "contraction map" is that for any x, y, [itex]d(T(x), T(y))\le \alpha d(x, y)[/itex] (with [itex]\alpha< 0[/itex]). For any positive integer, [itex]d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<\alpha d(T^{n-1}(x), T^{n-1}(y))[/itex] is just that same statement with [itex]T^{n-1}(x)[/itex] in place of x and [itex]T^{n-1}(y)[/itex] in place of y.

How could I begin the exercise to find the ##x## such that ##T(x)=x##?.
Take [itex]x_0[/itex] to be any point in X. Look at the sequence [itex]\{T^n(x_0)\}[/itex]. Show that it is a Cauchy sequence so converges. See what happens when you apply T to the limit of that sequence.
 
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BOTH. The definition of "contraction map" is that for any x, y, [itex]d(T(x), T(y))\le \alpha d(x, y)[/itex] (with [itex]\alpha< 0[/itex]). For any positive integer, [itex]d(T^n(x), T^n(y))<\alpha d(T^{n-1}(x), T^{n-1}(y))[/itex] is just that same statement with [itex]T^{n-1}(x)[/itex] in place of x and [itex]T^{n-1}(y)[/itex] in place of y.

Not quite, I don't think. The problem (for some reason) didn't say T is a contraction, it says ##T^n## is a contraction.
 
Dick said:
Let's just write ##C## instead of ##T^n## so we can skip some exponents. Here's a hint. Pick ##x_0## to be any point. Now define ##x_1=C(x_0), x_2=C(x_1)##, etc. Now you've got things like ##d(x_1,x_2)=d(C(x_0),C(x_1)) \le αd(x_0,x_1)##. The first step is going to be trying to prove that sequence is Cauchy.

Ok, but with that sequence, what I am goint to prove is that ##T^n## has a fixed point. If I call that point ##x##, would ##x## help me to find the fixed point of ##T## that I am looking for?
 
In my first response I said "(with [itex]\alpha< 0[/itex])" when, of course, I meant "(with [itex]\alpha< 1[/itex])".

Now, in your first post you said "there exist [itex]n\in N[/itex] such that [itex]T^n[/itex] is contraction". The first thing I would do is define [itex]S= T^n[/itex] for that n so that S is a contraction. You can then show that the sequence [itex]T^m x_0[/itex] is a Cauchy sequence and so converges to some point [itex]x[/itex].

The point is that applying T to that x, Tx, is the same as applying T to each term in the sequence. But that just shifts the sequence by one place. It is still the same sequence and still converges to [itex]x[/itex]. That is, Tx=x.
 
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mahler1 said:
Ok, but with that sequence, what I am goint to prove is that ##T^n## has a fixed point. If I call that point ##x##, would ##x## help me to find the fixed point of ##T## that I am looking for?

First you want to show that the fixed point is unique. If T^n(x)=x and T^n(y)=y, then x=y. Now can you show that if x is a fixed point then T(x) is also a fixed point?
 
Dick said:
First you want to show that the fixed point is unique. If T^n(x)=x and T^n(y)=y, then x=y. Now can you show that if x is a fixed point then T(x) is also a fixed point?

Suppose there are ##x,y \in X## such that ##T^n(x)=x## and ##T^n(y)=y##, ##d(x,y)=d(T^n(x),T^n(y))\leq \alpha d(x,y)## and this inequality holds if and only if ##x=y##.

Now let ##x## be the fixed point of ##T^n##, ##T^n(T(x))=T(T^n(x))=T(x)##. It follows that ##T(x)## is a fixed point but by unicity we have that ##T(x)=x##, which means ##x## is a fixed point of ##T##. One can prove unicity using the fact that ##T^n## is a contraction.

Thank you very much!
 
BTW it might be tempting to think that if T^n is a contraction, then T must be a contraction. That's not true. Take X=R^2 and T to be the linear mapping represented by the matrix [[0,1],[1/2,0]]. T is not a contraction. T^2 is a contraction. Show that if you are interested.
 
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mahler1 said:
Suppose there are ##x,y \in X## such that ##T^n(x)=x## and ##T^n(y)=y##, ##d(x,y)=d(T^n(x),T^n(y))\leq \alpha d(x,y)## and this inequality holds if and only if ##x=y##.

Now let ##x## be the fixed point of ##T^n##, ##T^n(T(x))=T(T^n(x))=T(x)##. It follows that ##T(x)## is a fixed point but by unicity we have that ##T(x)=x##, which means ##x## is a fixed point of ##T##. One can prove unicity using the fact that ##T^n## is a contraction.

Thank you very much!

Very welcome. Nicely done!
 
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Dick said:
BTW it might be tempting to think that if T^n is a contraction, then T must be a contraction. That's not true. Take X=R^2 and T to be the linear mapping represented by the matrix [[0,1],[1/2,0]]. T is not a contraction. T^2 is a contraction. Show that if you are interested.

Thanks for the remark, I appreciate it. Another example could be ##f:[\frac{1}{4},\frac{1}{2}] \to [\frac{1}{4},\frac{1}{2}]## defined as ##f(x)=x##. ##f## is clearly not a contraction but ##f^2## is a contraction.
 
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mahler1 said:
Thanks for the remark, I appreciate it. Another example could be ##f:[\frac{1}{4},\frac{1}{2}] \to [\frac{1}{4},\frac{1}{2}]## defined as ##f(x)=x##. ##f## is clearly not a contraction but ##f^2## is a contraction.

f^2(x) means f(f(x)). f(f(x))=f(x)=x. I'm not sure that's a good example. You really have to go to more than one dimension to get a linear example.
 
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Dick said:
f^2(x) means f(f(x)). f(f(x))=f(x)=x. I'm not sure that's a good example. You really have to go to more than one dimension to get a linear example.

Oops.
 

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