FLRW Metric Tensor: Calculating g^{ca}g_{ab}

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the product g^{ca}g_{ab} for the FLRW metric tensor. Participants explore the properties of the metric tensor and its inverse, specifically questioning the interpretation of the result as the Kronecker delta.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why g^{ca}g_{ab} is equal to 1 rather than 4, questioning the assumptions about the metric tensor's elements.
  • Some participants clarify that the expression represents the Kronecker delta, emphasizing the distinction between cases with and without summation.
  • Further questions arise regarding the components of the tensor g^a_b and whether they are always 1 along the diagonal for any metric tensor.
  • Participants discuss the implications of multiplying metric tensors and their inverses, leading to confusion about the nature of the results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and exploring different interpretations of the metric tensor's properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the Kronecker delta and the relationship between a metric tensor and its inverse.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the metric tensor's structure and the implications of its components, with some expressing confusion about the multiplication of tensors and the resulting values.

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Not really homework, but thought this might be the best place to get a quick answer.

Question
Calculate g^{ca}g{ab} for the FLRW metric.

I would have thought this would be

[itex] g^{ca}g{ab}=\delta^c_b=4[/itex]

I thought 4 because I assumed there should be "1" for each non-zero element in the metric tensor g_{ab}.

Apparently however it should be g^{ca}g_{ab}=1

Can anyone please explain why?


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This is just the Kronecker delta which is 1 if b=c and zero if not, there is no summation going on. If it had been [itex]\delta_b^b[/itex] Einstein summation would have been implied, which would yield 4.

Mathematically:

[tex] A^\gamma=g^{\gamma \alpha}A_\alpha= g^{\gamma \alpha}g_{\alpha \nu}A^\nu=\delta_\nu^\gamma A^\nu=A^\gamma[/tex]

If it were four, you would get [itex]A^\gamma=4A^\gamma[/itex] which would make little sense.
 
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Thanks again Cyosis that clears things up.
 
Actually, another quick question.

So the tensor, g^a_b for the FLRW metric, simply has components 1 along the diagonal?

Or for that matter, to generalise it further. Given any metric tensor r_{ab} with all elements being non-zero, r^a_b has components 1 everywhere?

To add to that, given,

[itex] L=-0.5(\frac{d\phi}{dt})^2+V(\phi)[/itex]

does g^a_bL = L?
 
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trv said:
So the tensor, g^a_b for the FLRW metric, simply has components 1 along the diagonal?

Correct.

trv said:
Or for that matter, to generalise it further. Given any metric tensor r_{ab} with all elements being non-zero, r^a_b has components 1 everywhere?

No, proof:

[tex] r^\alpha_{\;\;\beta}=r^{\alpha \gamma}r_{\gamma \beta}=\delta^\alpha_\beta[/tex]

In words, any mixed metric is equal to the Kronecker delta. You basically have a matrix with 1's on the diagonal and zeros elsewhere.
 
Oh yeh, true the kronecker delta would imply zeros everywhere apart from the diagonal. I think where I'm going wrong is assuming we multiply each element by its inverse. Giving 1 at all places where the metric tensor had non-zero components. Obviously that's not how it works.
 
trv said:
Oh yeh, true the kronecker delta would imply zeros everywhere apart from the diagonal. I think where I'm going wrong is assuming we multiply each element by its inverse. Giving 1 at all places where the metric tensor had non-zero components. Obviously that's not how it works.

Think of these tensors as matrices, where g^{ab} is the inverse of g_{ab}. Just as multiplying a matrix with its inverse yields the identity matrix (AA^{-1}=I), multiplying the metric with its inverse yields the kronecker delta.
 
Thanks the two of you.
 

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