[Fluid dynamics] Normal shock wave problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a fluid dynamics problem involving a normal shock wave in a converging-diverging nozzle. Participants are tasked with calculating various pressures and Mach numbers at different points in the flow, specifically focusing on the conditions before and after the shock wave. The scope includes theoretical understanding of compressible flow, normal shock relations, and isentropic processes.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the initial conditions and calculations leading to the determination of pressure p1 and p2, indicating a struggle with the concepts of compressible flow and normal shocks.
  • Another participant clarifies that the star (*) denotes the state of the gas when the Mach number M equals 1, providing a reference to theoretical resources for further understanding.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the calculation of static pressure p3 and the need for the Mach number M3 to proceed, noting the assumption of isentropic conditions between points 2 and 3.
  • There is an acknowledgment of the relationship between stagnation pressures at different points, with a participant seeking clarity on how to derive M3.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and relationships involved in the problem, but there is no consensus on the calculations for p3 and M3, indicating ongoing confusion and uncertainty regarding these aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of stagnation pressure at various points and the implications of isentropic flow assumptions. There are unresolved steps in the calculations, particularly concerning the determination of Mach number M3 and its relationship to the pressures and areas downstream of the shock.

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Homework Statement


Air, supplied by a reservoir at 450 kPa, flows through a converging-diverging
nozzle whose throat area is 12 cm^2. A normal shock stands where A1 = 20 cm^2. (a) Compute
the pressure, p2, just downstream of this shock. Still farther downstream, where A3 = 30
cm^2, estimate (b) p3, (c) A3*, and (d) M3.

(There is no figure given) (We can also assume air as an ideal gas, and isentropic conditions everywhere except at the shock wave)

Homework Equations


Various isentropic and normal shock relations

The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, so I've been stuck on this problem (and this topic) for a while now. I'm sort of struggling with understanding compressible flow in general, so I'm going to go by my current understanding of this stuff to explain what I did so far, please please correct me where I'm wrong!

a) Since there is a normal shock wave downstream of the throat, the flow must be supersonic past the throat, and therefore the flow should be choked and the throat is in critical state (*) with M=1.

-So I first need to get p1, static pressure at 1, by use of isentropic relations(and tables):
A1/A* = function of(M1) = 1.667
gives M1=1.99

-And another relation:
pt/p1 = function of(M1) , where pt is stagnation pressure aka reservoir pressure
gives p1=58.413 kPa

-And now, for conditions across the shock:
M2 = function of(M1) = 0.579

-Making use of a normal shock wave relation:
p2/p1 = function of(M1, M2)
gives p2=260.16kPa

b)c)d) For these parts, I'm completely lost. I don't know what happens after the shock, particularly what is A2* and A3*? I thought (*) refers to some critical state? I'm also confused about stagnation pressure at each of these states, like state 2 and state 3. Originally, stagnation pressure, pt, was defined as the "reservoir" pressure pretty much before the flow; so what does pt2 and pt3 refer to?

I'm sorry that I have such a bad understanding of this topic.. my professor and TAs helped pretty much with nothing, as far as completing the homeworks or doing the exams.. It would be a lifesaver if I got some clearer explanation of compressible flows and normal shocks. I feel like this is a pretty typical problem, but I don't have a firm grasp of the material yet!

Thanks!
 
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The star (*) refers to the state of the gas or one of its properties when M = 1.

The attachment gives theory and some worked examples:
http://web.iitd.ac.in/~pmvs/mel7152008/notes-new.pdf
 
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Thanks for the resources! I'll go through that and see what I can learn before I come back for more questions :approve:
 
So I'm not sure why I'm not understanding this yet, but I think I need some help..

I am still stuck on finding the static pressure p3 at point 3. I know that between points 2 and 3, we can assume things are isentropic. I also found the stagnation pressure at point 3, pt3, by using an isentropic relation and using the fact that stagnation pressure at point 2 is equal to pt3.
But I believe I need the mach number at point 3, M3, to move forward...
And I can't figure out a way to get M3..
 

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