Fluids at rest: two connected cylinders

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The problem involves two identical cylindrical vessels containing a liquid of known density, where the heights of the liquid differ. The task is to determine the work done by gravitational forces when the levels are equalized after connecting the vessels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating pressures in the cylinders and the resulting force from the pressure difference. There is uncertainty about the correct method to find the work done by gravity, with suggestions to consider potential energy changes.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the initial and final heights of the liquid, with some suggesting that the final equilibrium height should be the average of the two initial heights. There is an ongoing examination of how to calculate the work done by gravity, with different interpretations of the signs of work based on the direction of liquid movement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculated height for equalization appears incorrect, as it is lower than both starting heights. There is a focus on understanding the implications of equal mass and volume of liquid in both cylinders.

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Homework Statement


[This probably seems really easy to the physics whizzes out there but...*blushes*]

Two identical cylindrical vessels with their bases at the same level each contain a liquid of density 1.30x103 kg/m3. The area of each base is 4.00cm2, but in one vessel the liquid height is 0.854 m and in the other it is 1.560 m. Find the work done by the gravitational force in equalising the levels when the two vessels are connected.

Homework Equations


p2=p0 + [tex]\rho[/tex]gh

p=F/A
[tex]\rho[/tex]=m/V
p=[tex]\rho[/tex]gh

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, it seems that this question has gone beyond the knowledge imparted earlier in the chapter this is in - either that or I have a lack of grey matter =]. However, I think I'm nearly there. The solution is as follows.

Find the pressures in the first and second cylinders.

p1= 1.3x103 x 9.8m/s2 x 0.854 m = 10,880 Pa

p2= 1.3x103 x 9.8m/s2 x 1.56 m = 19,874 Pa

[tex]\Delta[/tex]p = 8,994 Pa

F= p x A = 8,994 Pa x 4x10-4 m2 = 3.60 N

Well, I've found the force due to the pressure difference. I'm not quite sure whether that is the correct approach though.

Now the work done by the gravitational force must be found. This is where I'm stuck. Is it as simple as multiplying the force - calculated above - by the change in height of the water? Or should I use U=-GMm/r?

I calculated the height of the equalised water to be 0.7 m. I did this by finding the height at which it would have to be for the water to cause a pressure of 8,994Pa.

EDIT: I suspect the height I have calculated is wrong.
 
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thehammer said:
I calculated the height of the equalised water to be 0.7 m. I did this by finding the height at which it would have to be for the water to cause a pressure of 8,994Pa.

EDIT: I suspect the height I have calculated is wrong.

Well, the problem with that height is that it's lower than both starting heights were to begin with.

Given the two starting heights, and the fact that the base areas are the same, what do you think the final equilibrium height should be? Hint: You won't need to calculate any forces for this part.
 
Hopefully I've thought along the right lines...

The maximum height of water one cylinder could contain is 1.560 m + 0.854 m = 2.414 m. If both cylinders are to equalise, they must contain the same mass, and hence volume, of water. This requires them to have the same height of water which is 2.414/2 m = 1.207 m.
 
Yes, good.

Now, changing from the original two heights to the final height involves taking a certain volume of liquid, and lowering it by a certain amount.

If you can figure that part out (the volume of liquid that moved, and the change in height for that volume), next you would find the corresponding change in potential energy. And that is the work done by gravity.
 
hmm... (1.207 - .854) = .353
(1.207 - 1.560) = -.353

For one of the columns, gravity would do positive work, and for the other, negative work. And since the magnitude of the work is the same, the total work would just equal zero... or did I miss something?...
 
Quincy said:
hmm... (1.207 - .854) = .353
(1.207 - 1.560) = -.353

For one of the columns, gravity would do positive work, and for the other, negative work. And since the magnitude of the work is the same, the total work would just equal zero... or did I miss something?...

That's what I was thinking. I'll have an attempt at Redbelly98's suggested solution and see if that leads to your answer.
 
If it helps, here is an illustration of what I was saying in post #4. The idea is to figure out the difference in potential energy for the two situations.

FluidsConnectedCylinders_2008-12-21.gif
 

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