# Homework Help: Flute player initial frequency?

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1. May 14, 2017

### Wimpalot

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
A flute player hears four beats per second when she compares her note to a 587 Hz tuning fork (the note D). She can match the frequency of the tuning fork by pulling out the "tuning joint" to lengthen her flute slightly. What was her initial frequency?

2. Relevant equations
Not sure if it actually is relevant but:
fbeat = |f1 - f2|

3. The attempt at a solution
I have no idea what to do for this one. I'm not even entirely sure what is going on

2. May 14, 2017

### TomHart

Have you ever tuned an instrument? I will assume that you have not. If you have two instruments (whatever they are - flutes, guitars, digitally generated sine waves, etc.), and you strike a sound on each of them, if the frequencies of those two sounds are slightly different, you will be able to hear that frequency difference. The effect you will hear is a modulating amplitude. In other words, you will hear the combined sound getting louder and softer at a certain frequency. That frequency is called the beat frequency.

One thing you could do to observe this effect visually is create an Excel sheet. Generate two sine waves - one at, say, 440 Hz (note A4) and another at, say, 444 Hz. Then mathematically add those 2 waveforms and plot the result. You will be able to see the 4 Hz beat frequency.

One other important part of this problem that may not be obvious to everyone is this: When the length of the flute is increased, the pitch (frequency) of the sound decreases.

Edit: Here is a short video clip to demonstrate beat frequency.

3. May 14, 2017

### Wimpalot

Thanks, that helps me understand what it is but I still have no idea how to do the question

4. May 14, 2017

### TomHart

Your equation is appropriate. If you know fbeat (which you do), and you know f1 (which you do), there are only 2 possible solutions for f2.

5. May 15, 2017

### Wimpalot

Right of course, thank you

6. May 20, 2017

### rude man

So have you figured out which one?

7. May 21, 2017

### Wimpalot

I think it was 585Hz. Sorry it has been a while since I did this problem. Honestly I think I just guessed at whether it was 585 or 589

8. May 21, 2017

### rude man

Your choices are 587+4 = 591 and 587 - 4 = 583.

Re-consider the problem statement: "She can match the frequency of the tuning fork by pulling out the "tuning joint" to lengthen her flute slightly." (Emphasis mine).