Focal Length problem for astronomy class

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the focal length of a lens to be used with a telescope and a spectrometer. Participants explore the mechanics of how the lens interacts with the telescope's focal plane to achieve the required focal ratio for the spectrometer.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the problem, noting the need to compute the focal length of a lens that modifies the beam from an f/7.5 telescope to an f/10 beam for a spectrometer.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the spectrometer's details are not the focus of the problem, suggesting that a lens with a negative focal length, such as a Barlow lens, is needed.
  • A participant expresses the need for a better understanding of the setup and mechanics involved, indicating uncertainty about how the lens and spectrometer should be arranged relative to the telescope.
  • There is a question raised about the feasibility of placing the 50mm lens 150mm in front of the unmodified focal plane, indicating a need for clarification on the arrangement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that understanding the setup is crucial for solving the problem; however, there is no consensus on the specifics of how the lens should be positioned or the implications of its focal length.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the mechanics of the telescope and spectrometer interaction, as well as the implications of the lens placement and its focal length. There are unresolved questions about how the variables interact within the problem's context.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying optics, particularly in the context of telescopes and spectrometers, as well as those interested in practical applications of lens systems in astronomy.

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Homework Statement


A telescope has a focal ratio of f/7.5. You wish to use it with a spectrometer that requires an f/10 beam at its input. Compute the focal length of a 50mm diameter lens that, when inserted in the beam 150mm in front of the unmodified focal plane, produces the required beam.


Homework Equations


Focal ratio = focal length/diameter of entrance aperture. The notation f/10 means that the focal ratio is 10, not that the diameter is 10.


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried drawing some diagrams, which obviously can't be reproduced with ease here. I think the main problem might be that I'm not familiar enough with telescopes to know how one uses a spectrometer or an extra lens--must they go outside the telescope, thereby making the focal length longer, or can one or both be placed inside the telescope?

I also tried making up variables--saying, for instance, that the telescope's original focal length is 750 and its entrance diameter 100, which fits for f/7.5. But then I was stymied by the above fact: I don't know how a spectrometer works. I think if someone can give me information about the mechanics of the problem I should be able to make a better attempt.

Thanks.
 
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This isn't a question about the spectrometer. The only reason it was mentioned is to provide a rationale for the f10 requirement.

I will give you a hint: you need a lens with a negative focal length. These lenses are sometimes called barlows or Smythe lenses.
 
Okay. I understand that the question doesn't focus on the spectrometer, but I'm still pretty sure that I need to understand how the setup would work in order to make any progress. If I could just get a text diagram of how the device would look, like so:

telescope lens--extra lens--focal plane--spectrometer

Or

extra lens--telescope lens--focal plane--spectrometer

As of right now, I don't know how the variables (focal length and lens diameter) have to vary, so I can't make any inferences.
 
Finnegan;3835317 A telescope has a focal ratio of f/7.5. You wish to use it with a spectrometer that requires an f/10 beam at its input. Compute the focal length of a 50mm diameter lens that said:
when inserted in the beam 150mm in front of the unmodified focal plane, produces the required beam.


Does this sound like it is possible for the 50 mm lens to be placed in front of the objective? 150 mm in front of the unmodified focal plane.
 

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