Follow-up on the Expanding Universe Insight article

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The discussion centers on the transformation of coordinates from Robertson-Walker (RW) comoving observers to local Minkowski coordinates in cosmology. It clarifies the relationship between the time coordinate τ and the spatial coordinate ξ, specifically addressing the discrepancy in the Insight article regarding the expressions τ ≈ t and ξ ≈ d₀(1 + H₀τ) versus the derived expressions. The participants conclude that for small values of x, the term involving x² can be neglected, leading to τ ≈ t, which aligns with the assumptions made during the transformation process.

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About the form of RW comoving observer worldline in local Minkowski frame at event p.
Hi, reading this Insight raised a doubt regarding the section "Comoving observers in a local Minkowski frame".

Robertson-Walker (RW) comoving observers have constant ##x## in comoving coordinates (to take it simple assume a 1+1 RW spacetime). From the following coordinate transformation into local Minkowski coordinates at event ##p##
$$\begin{align*}\tau &\simeq t + \frac{1}{2}H_0 a_0^2 x^2 = t + \frac{1}{2} a’^2_0 x^2, \\\xi &\simeq a_0 x (1 + H_0 t).\end{align*}$$
a comoving observer at proper distance ##d_0## from ##\xi = 0## at ##\tau=0## (i.e. on the spacelike hypersurface ##\tau=0##) has ##\xi = d_0## coordinate, hence ##x= d_0 / a_0##. Therefore such comoving observer's worldline in comoving coordinates is given by ##x= d_0 / a_0## constant and varying ##t##.

Substituting it into the transformation above yields in ##(\xi, \tau)## local Minkowski coordinates
$$\xi \simeq d_0 (1 + H_0 t)$$
However in the Insight it is given by
$$\xi \simeq d_0 (1 + H_0 \tau)$$
From where the above come from ? Thanks.
 
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They are the same to the ordered considered in the ##\simeq## relation.
 
Orodruin said:
They are the same to the ordered considered in the ##\simeq## relation.
Ah ok, basically for "small" ##x## the term involving ##x^2## in $$\tau \simeq t + \frac{1}{2}H_0 a_0^2 x^2 = t + \frac{1}{2} a’^2_0 x^2$$ can be neglected, hence ##\tau \simeq t##.

It makes sense to pick "small" values for ##x## since the derivation of the transformation from RW coordinates to local Minkowski coordinates at point/event ##p## employs the assumption ##x^{\alpha} = 0## at ##p##.
 
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